Marriage and the Power of Divorce

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Frenzied Wombat

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School provides far more than just education or socialization. It's your first encounter with a power structure outside of your parents. It teaches you structure, responsibility, deadlines, and accountability. It exposes you to discipline from entities besides your family. I just don't see how this can be replicated by your parents.
 

Feien

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School provides far more than just education or socialization. It's your first encounter with a power structure outside of your parents. It teaches you structure, responsibility, deadlines, and accountability. It exposes you to discipline from entities besides your family. I just don't see how this can be replicated by your parents.
Very true. Very important too. I found those things in jobs I had among other activities. I thought that was going to be ta challenging part of going to college, not have a proper discipline when it came to deadlines, but thankfully that wasn't an issue for me at all. Though school does teach these things, many don't really "take responsibility" until it matters to them. It mattered to me, and obviously many kids that have gone to a school, it never mattered to them, therefore flunking from college or not being able to hold on to a job.
 

The Master

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Homeschooling is a lot more varied than you'd think. A lot of my dance students in college who were home schooled wouldn't tell people they were home schooled because of the social stigma. Academically it seems like they end up way ahead, with two studies putting homeschooled students 37 percentile points ahead of publicly educated students on standardized tests. Though there is the argument that students with obviously dedicated parents would have performed just as well even in normal schools and one study probably didn't represent the full breadth of homeschooled students. The latter study did and had identical results though.

Ten states have full access to extra circulars to home schooled students, the rest it is up to a decision at a district by district level. So you can still puts your kids into organized sports, band, every kind of club, etc., to have that social experience. Yes, if you keep your kid at home and only allow them to interact with you it causes social issues and that actually does happen, but that is the minority of home schooled students. Actually a ton of home schooled students get real jobs (albeit part time) at a very early age and that teaches them responsibility way better than a school ever could. I knew a 14 year old girl who wanted to be a vet and was being home schooled, her parents got her a job at an exotic pets shop. She dealt with customers, handled money, took care of all these birds that each had different specialized care requirements.

I'm on the fence about home schooling my kid when I have them, I have several years to work it out. My wife is a teacher and between the two of us we've taught or tutored every standard subject up to a high school level/AP level, so I have zero concerns about being able to teach my kids anything academic.
 

Frenzied Wombat

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Very true. Very important too. I found those things in jobs I had among other activities. I thought that was going to be ta challenging part of going to college, not have a proper discipline when it came to deadlines, but thankfully that wasn't an issue for me at all. Though school does teach these things, many don't really "take responsibility" until it matters to them. It mattered to me, and obviously many kids that have gone to a school, it never mattered to them, therefore flunking from college or not being able to hold on to a job.
I'm not saying these things are insurmountable, just that they put homeschoolers at a serious disadvantage. And I disagree that the "responsibility" of school is ignored until it "matters"-- I took high school pretty seriously, mostly because I feared "failing" and the repercussions for doing so. But again, this whole dynamic between the "bad kids" (that didn't care) and those that did, was all part of the essential learning experience which essentially paints the same dynamic that will occur in adult life. School for me wasn't defined by the education, but the fact that it's was mini socio-economic habitat that prepared you for all the challenges of adult life. Homeschooling just doesn't make sense to me for this reason, and I don't even remember it being a possibility growing up in Canada. I never encountered anybody home schooled until I moved to Texas. Also, how the hell do you simulate grade 9/10/11 physics/chemistry class at home when you don't have a laboratory?? Dad's meth lab doesn't count.
 

The Master

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Canada has approximately 60k+ students being home schooled. But, again, a lot of people hide it due to the social stigma.

There are home labs you can buy that cover all of the standard experiments. ~$200 for a basic kit. Also local CCs or high schools will often have programs or options that will allow you limited access to labs.
 

Louis

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I left my private school that I had been going to since I was 3 years old in 8th grade and was homeschool my freshman year. I was a nerd, had social issues, and was teased constantly. Grades and learning wise it was the best year I had in highschool, but obviously I had much fewer friends than before. Starting Everquest at the time definitely magnified the problem, but looking back I wouldn't have changed anything because.....EQ! After one year of it I couldn't do it again. Told my mom to put me back and decided upon myself to completely change who I was. Of course I still wasn't some Alpha male, 5 start athlete that was banging all the hoes, but it definitely gave me the chance to start fresh and was easily one of the best things that happened in my life, social wise atleast.

All of that being said, I would never ever put my kids through homeschooling. I couldn't imagine going through it my entire school career.
 

Xequecal

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Homeschooling is a lot more varied than you'd think. A lot of my dance students in college who were home schooled wouldn't tell people they were home schooled because of the social stigma. Academically it seems like they end up way ahead, with two studies putting homeschooled students 37 percentile points ahead of publicly educated students on standardized tests. Though there is the argument that students with obviously dedicated parents would have performed just as well even in normal schools and one study probably didn't represent the full breadth of homeschooled students. The latter study did and had identical results though.

Ten states have full access to extra circulars to home schooled students, the rest it is up to a decision at a district by district level. So you can still puts your kids into organized sports, band, every kind of club, etc., to have that social experience. Yes, if you keep your kid at home and only allow them to interact with you it causes social issues and that actually does happen, but that is the minority of home schooled students. Actually a ton of home schooled students get real jobs (albeit part time) at a very early age and that teaches them responsibility way better than a school ever could. I knew a 14 year old girl who wanted to be a vet and was being home schooled, her parents got her a job at an exotic pets shop. She dealt with customers, handled money, took care of all these birds that each had different specialized care requirements.

I'm on the fence about home schooling my kid when I have them, I have several years to work it out. My wife is a teacher and between the two of us we've taught or tutored every standard subject up to a high school level/AP level, so I have zero concerns about being able to teach my kids anything academic.
The selection bias for home schooling is pretty extreme and it makes numbers like that useless. The people who choose to home school are the people that know they're going to be good at it, that's why the kids do better. That doesn't mean we'd be better off if everyone homeschooled instead.
 

BrutulTM

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I think most homeschool parents are aware that their kids need social exposure as well. There are social activities that cater directly to homeschool kids and then there are things like sports, clubs, camps, etc. These kids have super dedicated parents or they would never go to the trouble of keeping the kids home and educating them. I know that there are "home school" kids that have white trash parents who don't want to deal with getting their kids to school every day so they claim to homeschool them while actually just neglecting them but I don't think that is a major percentage and those kids would be fucked whether or not they were going to school.

That doesn't mean we'd be better off if everyone homeschooled instead.
No one in the history of the planet has ever suggested that that would be the case.
 

Phazael

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Umm the vast majority of homeschooled kids in the usa are by Jebus freaks. They WANT the social isolation. Cant have any facts hampering the brain washing.....
 

Khane

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I'm surprised so many of you think you could teach your children actual science and math classes as well as a high school teacher. Now, I certainly had one or two terrible teachers in High School but for the most part my teachers were quite good.

Some of you think very highly of yourselves if you think you can handle teaching a kid Physics, Biology, Chemistry, Calculus and everything else required throughout the 4 years. What if your kid takes to it faster than you do and has questions you can't answer because you're only 2 chapters ahead of them in the book you're teaching them from? Get over yourselves.

Maybe if your kids were all general track students. I was a year ahead in high school in what was termed "gifted and talented". My parents never would have been able to handle teaching me ALL the AP courses I took. And my parents aren't stupid people
 

ZyyzYzzy

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I would think most people with advanced science degrees could handle teaching AP level science classes. Where I'd utterly fail would be literature, history and other social sciences.

Also, it is impossible to say you could teach your kid these things I guess, especially if they are young now because I'm sure high school curriculum will become more advanced in 10 -15 years.
 

chaos

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Of course you could do it, if you dedicated yourself to doing it. It wouldn't necessarily be easy, even for a college grad, but definitely possible.
 

ZyyzYzzy

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Of course you could do it, if you dedicated yourself to doing it. It wouldn't necessarily be easy, even for a college grad, but definitely possible.
I'm pretty sure I'd rather put my head in a pot of boiling water than have to teach a teenager biochemistry.
 

Khane

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Of course you could do it, if you dedicated yourself to doing it. It wouldn't necessarily be easy, even for a college grad, but definitely possible.
Again, you think very highly of yourself. You're forgetting there are 6-8 subjects every semester you'd have to teach the kid. Some would be easy because you would understand it more readily, some would be more difficult. The teachers in high school only have to concentrate on one subject for one grade, year round, year after year. And if you're intelligent and savvy enough to be able to actually teach your kids effectively you're wasting your own talents and potential by staying at home and foregoing your promising career.
 

chaos

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I'm pretty sure I'd rather put my head in a pot of boiling water than have to teach a teenager biochemistry.

Yeah me too. Fuck all that. But if you wanted to and it was important to you for some reason, or if you had to, you could do it. They have curriculums already set up, it isn't rocket surgery.
 

chaos

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Again, you think very highly of yourself. You're forgetting there are 6-8 subjects every semester you'd have to teach the kid. Some would be easy because you would understand it more readily, some would be more difficult. The teachers in high school only have to concentrate on one subject for one grade, year round, year after year.
The teachers in high school follow a strict, State-mandated curriculum. I don't think highly of myself, you are just approaching this as if every high school teacher is an expert in their assigned subject (which often does not correspond with their actual field of study or expertise). That is not my experience and I think it would be hard to defend that position.

Go watch The Edge, bro. What one man can do, another can do. You can do it, doesn't mean it would be easy or anything, but if someone else can do it, so can you.
 

Khane

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Yeah me too. Fuck all that. But if you wanted to and it was important to you for some reason, or if you had to, you could do it. They have curriculums already set up, it isn't rocket surgery.
Yeah, the curriculums are set up, and you have to learn it, or re-learn it (for the most part) for a multitude of subjects well enough that you could effectively teach it to your kid.
 

Noodleface

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You're all forgetting the most important thing here. Who the fuck wants to teach their kid this shit? That's free daycare!