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Vorph

Vorph

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Yeah, don't just blindly redo your Omega build though. Psi Shotgun and SHIELD Helicarrier got nerfed into the ground (far beyond simply not being able to crit/brut anymore). I really don't get what their goal with the Omega System is. By the time they get done "balancing" all the nodes people actually think are good/fun it might as well just be 7500 points worth of "+0.01 Gooder".

That bug fix line about making it so procs cannot crit or brutal makes me concerned about more than just the Omega procs too. People used team-up procs as an example to defend the ability of Shotgun/Helicarrier to crit/brut, and it looks like they might have "fixed" team-up passives now too.
 
Delly

Delly

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That is pretty much what I've expected since forever. They cannot let it have too much impact but balancing between shit and OP is going to be difficult.
 
Byr

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A new item called the Reliquary of Rarity will now drop! It contains one of the following items at Epic Rarity or Higher: A piece of Epic Team-Up Gear, an Epic Insignia, a Cosmic Ring, or a Strong Costume Core.
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anyone know what a Strong Costume Core is?
 
Vorph

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If I was a betting man, my money would be on 'strong' meaning one with 2 affixes. It's Gaz, so hoping for them to tend towards 3k/100+invuln rather than, say, +1 Speed and -1% area dmg is futile.
 
Byr

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i was more hoping it would be a 3 random affix core. Theyve talked about them being available before so that the legacy cores arnt the only way to get them.
 
Byr

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for me, it had to be over one of the The International 4 weekends. Id still rather watch the biggest dota tournament than play with boosts.
 
Vorph

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I've learned my lesson when it comes to attempting to farm anything static-but-retardly-fucking-rare in MH, but I won't say no to a 100% xp boost for leveling up Hawkeye, Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, and various other heroes that I only care about for synergies.
 
Goatface

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so appears to be something funky going on with xp, doomsaw is saying nothing has changed but in my test, roughly 5.8mil xp was just 2 bars of omega xp
 
Vorph

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Byr_sl said:
nah, the shotgun sucks now for its cost. everyone to the rorschach node!
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I just stick with SPIN Tech. I had thought about trying out Goblin Formula, but that got the no-lube/no-reacharound treatment today in the form of doubling its cost and slapping a ICD on it.
 
Pyros

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goatface_sl said:
so appears to be something funky going on with xp, doomsaw is saying nothing has changed but in my test, roughly 5.8mil xp was just 2 bars of omega xp
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Yeah maybe he didn't know they fucked something up or changed something up but there's a lot of complaining that they massively stealth nerfed xp/omega. Tbh sounds like they vastly underestimated xp gains on live and now they're nerfing the shit out of it after people already got 5000+omega.
 
Khane

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No reason to nerf XP gains. I play more than casually and still am only on pace for about 500 omega points a month, which will take me over a year to get to 7500. The dude that has 5000 spent insane amounts of money for boosts. Cosmic penta, triple iridium bars, triple iridium boosts, regular boosts and even more I think. And then he just mind numbingly ran taskmaster terminals for 16 hours+ a day.
 
Brikker

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Anyone have a list of all the boosts that stack/won't overwrite? Got a shit ton of different kinds from all the events/random codes and I haven't played in awhile (no desktop PC). I want to make efficient use of them when I get my desktop back and can play for real.
 
Pyros

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Khane_sl said:
No reason to nerf XP gains. I play more than casually and still am only on pace for about 500 omega points a month, which will take me over a year to get to 7500. The dude that has 5000 spent insane amounts of money for boosts. Cosmic penta, triple iridium bars, triple iridium boosts, regular boosts and even more I think. And then he just mind numbingly ran taskmaster terminals for 16 hours+ a day.
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Well they still almost tripled them so there's that. They said they feel it's too high so they'll reduce them. It went from 12millions to 30millions for an orb(or so I read), so I assume they'll reduce it to 25, maybe 20, which will still be noticeably slower than before. Xp nerf seems to be random bug, it's currently "fixed" by having 250% perma xp bonus apparently, on top of the 100% bonus from the event or whatever. They also boosted cosmic mobs hp(or bosses only, reports are a bit unclear) by 20%. Not that it matters too much but that's kinda random too, especially since it's apparently across the board instead of say just the weaker ones to bring them in line. Doom really didn't need a hp boost.

As for boost stacking brikker, I believe all of them stack. I've only ever used the 50% for 2hours free ones with 100% 1hour bars and Odin Bounty boosts together though, all these stacked fine, don't know about the iridium but I'd assume they stack. If they don't they should just add to duration anyway unless it specifies it stacks up to 5 then that'd stack first.
 
Aamry

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I think they all stack. If you drink two XP Potions, it increases the duration of the effect, for example.
 
Khane

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Iridium bars and regular XP/SIF/RIF bars are treated as the same buff. So you if you eat an iriidium and then an XP bar you will get 150% XP for an hour instead of 2 separate hour long 100% boosts.
 
Vorph

Vorph

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I wish they'd just scrap the Omega system and start over. I know it's too late now, but it's a bloated mess filled with tiny incremental "upgrades" (the kind that would make Deadpool proud). Doomsaw's attempt to justify the nerfs to the popular nodes and the change to the XP requirement per orb is just sad.

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I think they all stack. If you drink two XP Potions, it increases the duration of the effect, for example.
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Just be careful with bars. You're wasting your money if youbuy them at alleat 2-5 of those at once because it increases the effect with severe diminishing returns.

And no, you can't eat a second bar at the 59 minute mark to get 150% for the entire second hour. It keeps track of the duration of each one individually and as soon as the first hour is up it drops back down to 100% for the remaining time of the second one.
 
Byr

Byr

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ya, watching doomsaw try to defend the change inOmega Update - July 12 - Marvel Heroes 2015is getting pretty sad.

I asked him for the metrics for his "average player" but I dont have high hopes of getting them.

apparently people are getting into the math of their "average player"

7500 / 365 = 20.548 per day needed.

If you play 8 hours a day, that means you need a point every (480 minutes / 20.548 pts) = 23.35 minutes per point required.

If you play 4 hours a day, that means you need a point every (240 minutes / 20.548 pts) = 11.679 minutes per point required.

And those are every single day player numbers, at I'd say, quite above average hours per day.

Lets say the average Joe plays 4 hours, 4 times a week, for 16 hours a week total: (960 minutes / 7 days) = 137.14 minutes per day, or 2.286 hours per day average. (137.14 minutes / 20.548 pts) = 6.674 minutes per point required.

I don't think the "average" player is getting a point every 6.674 minutes, or was, at 15 million.

I'd have to agree with people who say the 15 million should have been coming down not going up.

Edit: It gets way worse if you factor in time people have to spend leveling heroes, since playing sub-60 completely ruins your omega gain, omega xp should scale by level. X time per point regardless of player level.
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i dont think its any wonder why Doomsaw is avoiding the thread now and trying to get it off the dev tracker at the top.
 
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