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Sulrn

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Alright so I'll tone down the rhetoric and attempt to argue as an adult. So in a serious question how is image related to the combat performance of a unit? Now I understand that a uniformed military must be uniform but in my opinion the top brass is of an older non combat generation that thinks appearance and performance are the same thing. Do you think they have gone too far, just right or not far enough? Also what would you change if you had dictatorial powers to enact change?
If you want to focus strictly on combat performance; a unit that can't deploy is combat ineffective - bottom line. Image comes into it in a very round about way on multiple fronts (with plenty of bull shit strewn in).

1. Reinforcing troop discipline via the environment (this is the main argument from a CMD perspective). The "if it doesn't look right, it probably isn't right" mentality to use social barriers to weed out negative issues. (SHARP, Fitness, minor disciplinary issues).
-If everyone around me is dress right-dress, I'm surrounded by servicemen/women. I'm afforded less opportunities to view them as anything other than what we share in common - our service to the nation. I don't see Jane's sleeve (which are now a no go) during pt and think she must be a fun to party with - I need to hit that; I now see Jane - 3rd squad (goes for the restrictive hair requirements as well). I'm also less inclined to have that last beer/shot because I might still be groggy in the morning at PT and it'll just be me and I don't want that spotlight. In either case (assuming CMD presence is there) you have a backup measure of defense to keep Soldiers from doing things that are going to make life hard for everyone involved - especially SHARP. This means your Unit spends more time in training and on the ramp to deployment/WAREX and less time fighting toxic environments and disciplinary actions. It also means a more cohesive team that's able to shoot, move, communicate, and live together - which is what combat performance is all about.

2.The US Military is made of professionals. From day 1 regardless of branch you're groomed and trained to meet a standard of the military environment. The force is changing though. It's no longer about just the personnel in uniforms, now it's about our contractors, host nation forces/civilians, OGO/NGOs - multispectrum, composite forces. The brass wants you to fit in seamlessly with everyone to your left and right whether its a host nation civilian or Doctors Without Borders, because as we move forward we're going to have a smaller force that has to work hand in hand with non-native resources.
-Specialist Phillips is now assigned to a team of three ComTech technicians to restore and expand the repeater station on the ridge line. SPC Phillips now has to look as professional and clean cut as the corporate standards his three contractors are held to so he's not perceived as "just a Soldier". The same goes for the team of MEDCAP personnel I send to Belgium to train HN Forces/Civilians to conduct CBRNE response training. It's not combat performance directly, but if very much effects our rapport with Allies/potential Allies and resources in current/future conflicts or missions.

Those are the two big forces driving the changes, but don't forget you still have force reduction and NC/OERs, politics, and Military Industrial Complex influence to account for. Is whether or not you have a tattoo or Jequitha has open braids going to stop a rifle round or help you finish the day's hump - not likely. The goal is to reduce distractions to increase the training/garrison quality so you're better prepared prior to deployment/mission execution. So that when you're working more effectively and when outside the force you have more resources available and the Military benefits from it. So that at the end of your career the Services can take credit for all your hard work by saying "LOOK AT THIS GUY AND HOW WELL WE PREPARED HIM FOR THE COPORATE REALM - HE EVEN LOOKS WHITE COLLAR!"

Most of the brass in charge were directly or indirectly involved in Panama, Gulf 1, Kosovo, and GWOT; so I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from. I do think that the "new" environment is heading in the right direction, but I won't lie and say I haven't seen quality personnel forced out due to reduction measures well before paperwork could get processed to kick out the shit birds. On the other hand, I've dealt with plenty of thugs in uniform that that I'll be more than happy to see go or get barred from Warrant/Officer while they now have to clean up or feel the righteous fury of the SGM's wrath.

If I could change one thing, I would roll the Reserves into the Active components and add an additional duty status to fill the grey area the Reserves live in and Soldiers/Marines hide in. Fixes the money, fixes the equipment, fixes the training, and gets rid of a lot of trash the new environment is aimed at fixing (but won't be able to). The National Guard already does this to a degree in preparation for mobilization. I would take it to the next level for the Federal forces and start cleaning house.

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Sulrn

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Working next to contractors? You serve in a combat arms unit?
Not anymore, my MOLLE is long since retired and even with my corrected vision I don't think I could see the 300m target to qual with iron sights. I hope you don't think I mean security contractors.
 

eenis_sl

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I agree with most of what you say, I make sure I look good in my uniform and take pride in it.Iknow that I am good and want my first impression to reflect that. But than again my teamate (Guy on the right of my team photo) is the same way, looks good, performs well and is an awesome soldier in every respect. The issue is that now he is barred from pursuing his goal of WO because he has an asian themed sleeve on his left arm. If there was a FULL grandfather of tattoos before this new 670 came out I wouldn't have an issue. But the fact that soldiers are getting DQ'd for something previously acceptable is fucked up. These restrictions should only apply to new recruits. You will probably disagree with me, but I think this stems from a brass that tended to be disconnected from the realities of conflict. I would say light colonels and below, having performed in select roles, know this reality. But that doesnt really count for the multitude of generals we have today. I doubt an officer who was a colonel in 2003 got to experience this, yet those are the generals of today. In my chain, our general and sm are boot as shit. Our SM hasnt even been deployed. And thats just the SM of USACAPOC, there are still many boots above him. The shift to garrison should come, but the people leading it take it too far. Then again thats pretty much the story of the military.
 

calhoonjugganaut

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Got some amendments to my orders today for hometown recruiting after AIT. I graduate Wednesday and can leave on Thursday, the 22nd...The amendments say I start hometown recruiting on the 23rd but it's a 4 day weekend and the recruiting center told me to just come on next Tuesday...that lasts til the 5th of June. I was originally supposed to be at Fort Campbell on June 8 but now my orders say June 18th and I haven't asked for any time off...ya'll think I should just report earlier than that amended date of the 18th so they don't make me take leave I don't ask for? I don't think there's no way in hell they'd give me 13 days to get to the KY/Tennessee border from North Carolina.
 

SnowFart_sl

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I'm on the left (Desert Storm), my oldest son is in the middle (Enduring Freedom), and my youngest son is on the far right and is still currently deployed to Afghanistan.

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Astaire_sl

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Sucked rubber at Osan for a year but it got me to two of the best assignments in the Air Force: Izmir AS, Turkey and then to Bellows AFS, Hawaii.
 

Fadaar

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Sucked rubber at Osan for a year but it got me to two of the best assignments in the Air Force: Izmir AS, Turkey and then to Bellows AFS, Hawaii.
One of our crew chiefs is going to Turkey to work transient. I'm assuming it's probably that place?
 

Astaire_sl

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Depends on what he does.. There are only 33 Air Force total in Izmir. 31 work in the city and then we had 1 supply guy and 1 guy working the PAX terminal at the Turkish AF base nearby. He may be going to Incirlik which has a few thousand USAF.
 

Big Phoenix

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Man I wish I was able to go somewhere or do something cool while in the military.
 

calhoonjugganaut

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Started my hometown recruiting today...basically sat up a table outside of a high school cafeteria and waited for kids to stroll by wanting free stuff. There were a few that had genuine interests in the military and left their names and what period they could get out of class to speak with the recruiter. I couldn't help but think I wish I would have approached a table like that 12 years ago. Granted, a lot has changed since then, but it did feel weird seeing so many kids just walking by and not even having a clue that it could be a really good option for them.
 

calhoonjugganaut

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I've been spoiled now I think. We just did 2 weeks of in-processing at Ft. Campbell in some old barracks with no AC. Just got to my new barracks today and I have my own room equipped with a walk-in closet and a ceiling fan. We are moving to brand new barracks in August, so I don't really know what to expect then but I'm definitely digging the scene right now.
 

Brikker

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Barracks, ha. I lived in a college-esque dorm for about 6 months at my first base then moved into a 1,450 square ft. apartment in the prime downtown nightlife area. I could have even got a slightly more expensive place with my housing allowance cap. I also pocketed about $150 extra a month off utilities. I was a single E3 with no kids. Go Air Force :p

The dorm, while I was in it, was nicer than my college dorm. About the same size but it had a private bathroom and private kitchen attached.
 

Arbitrary

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I've been spoiled now I think. We just did 2 weeks of in-processing at Ft. Campbell in some old barracks with no AC. Just got to my new barracks today and I have my own room equipped with a walk-in closet and a ceiling fan. We are moving to brand new barracks in August, so I don't really know what to expect then but I'm definitely digging the scene right now.
Does the in-processing barracks still have mice?

I fed the mice.