Big Phoenix
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Fadaar
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my first expediter (shift lead for your shop basically) in the AF retired as a 20 yr E-6 in... 2011? guy had never PCS'd either, he was in Goldsboro his whole 20. benefited me though cause he went on to work at one of the local gun shops, would hook us up with good deals.
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Erronius
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Well that IS kinda wild
The Army RCP for E5 is 14yrs...Air Force just moved to 22yrs?!?
www.airandspaceforces.com
The Army RCP for E5 is 14yrs...Air Force just moved to 22yrs?!?
Air Force Adds Two Years to Its ‘Up or Out’ Rule
The Air Force is extending the amount of time Airmen can spend at most enlisted ranks by two years, changing its High Year of Tenure rule.
www.airandspaceforces.com
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Erronius
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Looks like the most recent version I could find for the Corps (2019) is 12 years now?
ENLISTED ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE LIMITS AND HIGH YEAR TENURE
R 231303Z JUL 19MARADMIN 408/19MSGID/GENADMIN/CMC WASHINGTON DC MRA MP//SUBJ/ENLISTED ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE LIMITS AND HIGH YEAR TENURE//REF/A/MSGID:MSG/CMC MRA MP/132003ZDEC18//REF/B/MSGID:DOC/CMC MRA
www.marines.mil
nettripper
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Thank you for the replies
Since I didn’t change my retirement to be 401k style and kept it the old high three I just keep coasting
I have seen what my WAPS scores have been with zero studying and I still get close to ranking up
I will actually study and try for real when there is four years left till 20 and with waiting this long my line number will pretty much be pass and insta rank and then I still have the 21-22 year buffer to make sure it’s high three of TSGT
I made sure after all these years there is zero punishment for not ranking up and they can’t ever pull a “we know you’re messing up on purpose” as nobody can read your mind
I have been cryptic as I don’t want to dox myself just it’s Air Force life and I made sure it was computer related job so it’s very white collar style comfy life and always interesting not a customer service style job
I like doing the job my career field is meant for but I have never liked volunteering for community service stuff, writing award packages, having troops, or management, morale, all non work related things and when you hit E6 tech they start making you do all those things big time
Since I didn’t change my retirement to be 401k style and kept it the old high three I just keep coasting
I have seen what my WAPS scores have been with zero studying and I still get close to ranking up
I will actually study and try for real when there is four years left till 20 and with waiting this long my line number will pretty much be pass and insta rank and then I still have the 21-22 year buffer to make sure it’s high three of TSGT
I made sure after all these years there is zero punishment for not ranking up and they can’t ever pull a “we know you’re messing up on purpose” as nobody can read your mind
I have been cryptic as I don’t want to dox myself just it’s Air Force life and I made sure it was computer related job so it’s very white collar style comfy life and always interesting not a customer service style job
I like doing the job my career field is meant for but I have never liked volunteering for community service stuff, writing award packages, having troops, or management, morale, all non work related things and when you hit E6 tech they start making you do all those things big time
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Virtually all services recruiting + retention is shit. Pretty much every service lets you retire at E5 now or damn near it.
We don't kick ppl out for not advancing anymore, or for being fat, or failing physical fitness standards, or being too dumb to train (10 ASVAB)
The truth is there is no such thing as "retiring" at 20, you just get moved to inactive reserve. We are 100% going to war with China by 2027 if not sooner. Every single person who did their 20, submitted a "retirement" package even as an E5 is getting called back up in 2027.
We don't kick ppl out for not advancing anymore, or for being fat, or failing physical fitness standards, or being too dumb to train (10 ASVAB)
The truth is there is no such thing as "retiring" at 20, you just get moved to inactive reserve. We are 100% going to war with China by 2027 if not sooner. Every single person who did their 20, submitted a "retirement" package even as an E5 is getting called back up in 2027.
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As someone that grew up in the shithole that is Goldsboro, Be nice to the guy. He had it bad. That town SUCKS. Best decision I ever made was to get out of there and never look back.
Big Phoenix
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Looks like its still the same. Make Staff Sergeant in 12 years or gtfo.
I know some would get a waiver for 13 to see if they could pickup E6. There an E5 in my section who was at 12 and all he wanted to do was stay in. Guy was an absolute oxygen thief who was given that extra year and somehow picked up E6.
Erronius
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No?
It's late so maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it looks like E5 in 12?
EDIT: NM, you're looking at it from the rank you need to attain, or be let go, I'm looking at it from the rank you need to get promoted out off (don't still be stuck at E5 at 12)
Fadaar
That guy
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Bro thats just it, he CHOSE to stay there his whole career. He was originally from Cary so he was local and wanted to stay. For those who aren't familiar with the area, Cary is a suburb just west of Raleigh an hour~ish away.
edit: lol oops originally said south, I was thinking of Garner which is where another dude I worked with was from.
nettripper
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Another tidbit of information I haven’t divulged is I made it 13 years at my previous number one pick career field and saw the overmanned writing on the wall and cross trained into a similar field. I am no different than a pipeline airman starting at the bottom and have no idea what this career field does operationally.
I went from having my own team and knowing everything to now nothing. I used to be able to in a pinch “move the fuck out of my way little baby airman” and I did the whole teams worth of work as I can do it the fastest and near never any mistakes and we can escape early for the day to now I am usable for nothing
I went to the sergeant I need to learn from and it kills me to have to ask for help but I did it
“I would like to learn” “I don’t know the job and what can I do to start”
She says there isn’t anything to do today and to focus on my troops for there 5-lvl upgrade training
So lame
I went from having my own team and knowing everything to now nothing. I used to be able to in a pinch “move the fuck out of my way little baby airman” and I did the whole teams worth of work as I can do it the fastest and near never any mistakes and we can escape early for the day to now I am usable for nothing
I went to the sergeant I need to learn from and it kills me to have to ask for help but I did it
“I would like to learn” “I don’t know the job and what can I do to start”
She says there isn’t anything to do today and to focus on my troops for there 5-lvl upgrade training
So lame
TJT
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IDK man. I knew real quick that I wasn't going to be a lifer and do 20 years in the service.
Nonetheless I did as well I could, turns out I was a pretty high performer all told. If I were to stay in I would have pushed to at least E7 or went straight to Warrant in the Army. It isn't like its challenging to do this, just time consuming and you just need to play the game. Which you are refusing to do and your superiors can very obviously see this and react to you accordingly.
It's your life, do what you want. But its still retarded because you are going the route of lazy shitbird intentionally rather than just being a retard who doesn't know any better.
Nonetheless I did as well I could, turns out I was a pretty high performer all told. If I were to stay in I would have pushed to at least E7 or went straight to Warrant in the Army. It isn't like its challenging to do this, just time consuming and you just need to play the game. Which you are refusing to do and your superiors can very obviously see this and react to you accordingly.
It's your life, do what you want. But its still retarded because you are going the route of lazy shitbird intentionally rather than just being a retard who doesn't know any better.
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sleevedraw
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Multiply these by 12. The columns are under 2 years, 2 years, 3 years, 4 years, and then every 2 years thereafter (6, 8, 10, etc.) For basic pay, anywhere between roughly $35,500 and roughly $71,000.
However, this is just basic pay. Some specialties get paid more, and there's also BAS/BAH (food/housing cost pay) and other allowances. BAS is around $5500 yearly right now. BAH varies pretty wildly by area. One of my friends is E-4, but he makes north of 70k factoring in BAH because he is in a high-cost area.
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300Lane1
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9 years is the quickest you can sew on I believe. You can “make” it in 8 but you need 24 months of E-6 before you can sew on E-7. The average though is roughly 17 years.
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Fadaar
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BAH/BAS makes up a massive chunk of income, and it's non-taxable. For example, for an E-5 where I live (Savannah) it's $1758 with no dependents (wife, kids, etc) and $2187 with. For an E-7 it's $2016/$2505. That's WAY more than the $1400 I pay for a pretty nice 2 bedroom apartment. Any major metro area is going to be significantly higher than that too, Tampa it's $2439/$2895 for E-7 and $2106/$2628 for E-5. What's more ridiculous is officer BAH is even higher, an O-1 BAH is between what an E-5 and E-6 get.
As a bum ass E-4 before I got out I was bringing home somewhere around $1550 every 2 weeks, and this was in a super low cost of living area (Goldsboro NC). I was only getting $850 or so for BAH there, but I also wasn't married. Considering our rent was only $525 my roommate and I were able to put away a good amount every month. Or spent it all on guns and ammo... which we totally did.
edit: hory shet BAH is up to nearly $1200 for single E-4's there now
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Is this specific to a particular service?
When I was in the Navy, as a nuke, we got E-3 out of boot camp (effective as of the first day of boot camp), E-4 automatically after A-school (effective 6 months after entering the service), then the minimums were 6 months to E-5, 3 years to E-6 and 3 more to E-7, so you could possibly get E-7/Chief in 7 years. And a number of nukes I worked with got it between 7 and 8 years. Of course you could get frocked to E-7 (could put on the khaki's) earlier than that, but wouldnt get paid as E-7 until the full 3 years passed after you got E-6.
A particularly interesting chief I worked with said "I made Chief in 7 years, and I've spent the last 14 years perfecting it". (He got out a bit later, never having made E-8).
I should have clarified as Air Force specific. netripper is Air Force and I was following that line of conversation.