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Absolutely, unless you're some freakazoid striker type (which is hyper rare) who can sprawl.
It's boring, though, doesn't make for good entertainment.
Lanx
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they need to learn new tdd, instead of sprawling, knees to the head when they try to sniff crotch
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Gavinmad
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I feel like the moment to tap out was probably long before that though. I remember a long while back some dude got me in what would have been a rear naked choke but I was able to tuck my chin and protect my throat so it was just a crank. I should have tapped pretty quick but I held out even though I wasn't getting out of it, he wasn't really cranking on it just applying enough force to keep me locked up and even that was enough that my neck was jacked up for a couple days afterwards.
Holding on until your fucking chin/jaw fractures? What the fuck.
It's entirely possible to put someone to sleep choking over the jaw. Tuck your chin and then use your fingertips to push your jaw up and back into your throat. It will close the airway with a trivial amount of pressure. All they have to do is wait a few seconds.
It's also obviously possible to simply break your teeth/jaw/face or crank the neck, which are valid taps under every grappling ruleset I'm aware of. It's a bad idea to put yourself in a position where your bodily integrity depends on how nice your opponent feels. Tucking your chin is not a technical defense to anything.
Whittaker seems like a dude with his head screwed on straight about his health, at least within the space of fighers. My bet is this is more about Chimaev having the squeeze of a fucking ogre.
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Oh I'll be the first to admit I didn't really know what the hell I was doing, but I suppose that means I shouldn't be making statements about 'oh he definitely should have tapped sooner'.
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robs decision to fight with missing teeth finally bit him in the arse. you'll notice he always had 2 bottom right middle teeth missing, put a crank into that and the jaw is already compromised, you'll bust it open much easier. i would have thought he would have had it happen sooner from a punch or some other damage he has taken, but face crank it is.
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Called a Mandible choke, been around for a while, usually isn’t so dramatic—fuck they allow it in some BJJ competitions, I don’t know how he was able to inflict so much damage so quickly
* apparently per above his jaw was already compromised
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So it's weird also, that after the fight I was googling a lot because you can see that Khamzat is choking with his forearm against his teeth, and doesn't have Rob's jaw centered in the crook of the arm/inner elbow. I don't do BJJ so I was curious if that was some sort of 'approved' choke that's done, or if he didn't have it set 'correctly'.
After looking at it a number of times, it almost looks like Rob turned his head to his right, as Khamzat was putting the choke in.
Early, Rob's facing right into the elbow:
A split second later, Khamzat is bringing his right hand up while Rob is starting to turn
Then finally he's turned with his teeth fully against Khamzat's forearm
Originally I thought maybe Khamzat was filled with the spirit of Palhares and had done something intentionally? But now I'm thinking that it was just Whittaker turning his head and trying to get out, right as Khamzat applied pressure?
I looked around a lot and I think pretty much everyone's chin/jaw was centered in the elbow (as one would expect, I suppose)
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if you rewatch the fight rob is constantly fighting against the rnc by having his chin down
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And to C Captain Suave point if you choose to use your chin as a defense to RNC, you due so at your own risk—someone pointed out, a lot of dumb dumbs will say they’ll just bite to get out of an RNC in a self defense situation, if his jaw had been open, the damage would have been even worse
It's imperfect classic technique as applied by Khamzat, but obviously still effective if you squeeze hard enough. Coming across the face like that also creates a brutal crank element, which depending on the rules format is perfectly fine.
My personal favorite variation is the Short Choke, where you take a shallower grip and use your elbow behind the back to lever the blade of your forearm straight through their neck. You get immediate taps since you're directly compressing the trachea, and you can still put them to sleep. Because you're presenting the edge of your bone to the choke it's MUCH easier to drive it up under a resisting chin. I find this simpler to attack than a standard RNC because the transitions are essentially the same as lapel chokes in the gi and I don't have to pay as much attention to variations in my game depending on the uniform. I've always been surprised that this isn't more popular. I suppose it doesn't make you very many friends in the training room.
(Not me, just screenshot first video I found.)
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Jozu
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Some people just dont look good with a full head of hair its hard to explain.
Khamzat is one of these people. He looks homely.
Same thing with Alex Pereira. Looks like a totally different (much more intimidating) guy with a buzz cut.
edit: Ankalaev w a buzzcut would be horrific. He would look like true birdperson.
Khamzat is one of these people. He looks homely.
Same thing with Alex Pereira. Looks like a totally different (much more intimidating) guy with a buzz cut.
edit: Ankalaev w a buzzcut would be horrific. He would look like true birdperson.