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Munoz barely touched the kick, it hit on the top/side of his head 99% clean, more than enough power to put anyone down. He went over the hand, it's not a matter of kicking through the block so much. It basically only hit his fingertips and that ain't doing shit. Honestly with how high the kick landed you can't really blame Munoz for not having his guard high enough, that shit ain't common.



Plus he did have the hand flat to his head, not enough space to really take much out of the kick even if he did catch it clean.

Reminded me of a classic Cro Cop KO where his opponent ducked down just enough that it landed the same way with the ball of the ankle hitting way up high.



Poor Dos Caras Jr., never knew what he was getting in to...

Tuco_sl said:

I just don't think it was in the cards for Munoz to win that fight.

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Yeah Munoz is at his best when he's in tight or on top, and that shit just doesn't happen against Machida.

I was just thinking how hard it is to remember the Machida who first came to the UFC, he was like Chris Byrd. Basically the same skillset he has now, but he was just point fighting. It was infuriating and I hated him. Then came the Thiago Silva fight and he just flipped a switch, now he's one of my favorite guys to watch. Again, mostly same skillset, but now when he gets an angle or advantage he fucking pounces and it's awesome.


So I'm watching this weekend's WSOF event and man, I want Marlon Moraes in the UFC. He won't contend for the 135 belt right away, but he'd be an awesome addition to the mix there. 135 has quietly turned in to one of the most exciting divisions in the sport. I'm on the record disliking the midgets in general, but the top of the 135 division has an inordinate amount of real finishers. They're tiny so they won't be 80% finishers, but they're way better than they should be without the KO power of the bigger classes.

Also, when the fuck are we gonna get a real word on an opponent for Aldo? Usually by the 3 month mark we have some real talk. Right now they have 3 legit contenders in Lamas, Swanson, and Mendes. Swanson has the best recent resume but he's got losses to Aldo and Lamas already. Mendes is on a crazy tear with 4 straight KOs, but the fight before those Aldo KTFO's him last January. So it's got to be Lamas, right? 4 fight streak with some real quality in there, but he has bad luck. He was supposed to fight KZ in July before KZ got tapped to step up to Aldo. So he's been on the shelf a lot over the last 2 years.

You're probably right, Sam Hoger, Tito Ortiz, David Heath, and Kazuhiro Nakamura are all known for being unstoppable juggernauts.

Like I said, he was using the same skillset but when he first came to the UFC he wasn't going all in when he got a chance. I bitched and moaned about it at the time and got yelled at in the FoH thread.

Even in the questionable decision losses to Rampage and Davis you saw him throw the much riskier flurries and combos. He's fighting higher level competition and finishing them more than he did lower tier fighters early on, it's not because they are worse. He's better and more aggressive.

Tuco_sl said:

Yeah I'll concede that he had a string of a few decisions that he could've finished if he pressed harder when he first joined the UFC.

He had some drama over that with the UFC and his father where he knew the UFC was holding him back because he was being boring and he started training for KOs more.

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FLIP FLOP!!!!

Also, Josh Burkman lost his WSOF fight. Annoying because he just got outworked and outmuscled before finally getting choked to sleep. I was hoping he'd continue his climb because he's looked great lately.

Speaking of looking great! Not Jon Fitch. He looked fucking awful against Marcelo Alfaya(who!?) and probably got a gift decision. He got wrestleraped for 2 rounds, the ironing is delicious.

Machida has the same style as when he first came into the ufc, but I think he is a little bit more aggressive than he was. He came in to the ufc at a time when high level wrestlers were dominating everyone via ground & pound or brawling. And even when his counterpunch point-fighting style didn't straight up counter it, it made opponents visibly frustrated which helps get the nod from judges (e.g. Munoz, Tito, Bader, Rashad, Couture). I really don't see him having trouble doing the same thing to Weidman, Okami, Bisping, and (maybe) Vitor.

Tortfeasor_sl said:

Machida has the same style as when he first came into the ufc, but I think he is a little bit more aggressive than he was. He came in to the ufc at a time when high level wrestlers were dominating everyone via ground & pound or brawling. And even when his counterpunch point-fighting style straight up countered it, it made opponents visibly frustrated which helps get the nod from judges (e.g. Munoz, Tito, Bader, Rashad, Couture). I really don't see him having trouble doing the same thing to Weidman, Okami, Bisping, and (maybe) Vitor.

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Huh? Wrestlers and GnP guys haven't dominated since like, 2004. And your list of guys that he got the nod from judges on only includes one guy he didn't knock out, Tito. And that fight wasn't close at all.

His style countering the brawlers though is 100% accurate

Tuco_sl said:

Same style just a little less aggressive in his first few UFC fights!

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So like...

Grimmlokk_sl said:

Again, mostly same skillset, but now when he gets an angle or advantage he fucking pounces and it's awesome.

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=P

Apparently there's video of the Uriah Hall/Mayhem thing. It's even less exciting than the description of the events.



Cole Miller and Conor McGregor are twitterfighting and looks like building up to a fight fight.

I enjoy McGregor in the cage and I should be his biggest fan because YAY IRELAND, but I'm kind of annoyed by the crazy hype for him. He seems kind of douchey and his bromance with Dana is silly. Still love watching him fight though.

Grimmlokk_sl said:

Huh? Wrestlers and GnP guys haven't dominated since like, 2004. And your list of guys that he got the nod from judges on only includes one guy he didn't knock out, Tito. And that fight wasn't close at all.

His style countering the brawlers though is 100% accurate

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I forgot the word 'didn't'. Here ya go.

Tortfeasor_sl said:

Machida has the same style as when he first came into the ufc, but I think he is a little bit more aggressive than he was. He came in to the ufc at a time when high level wrestlers were dominating everyone via ground & pound or brawling. And even when his counterpunch point-fighting style DIDN'T straight up counter it, it made opponents visibly frustrated which helps get the nod from judges (e.g. Munoz, Tito, Bader, Rashad, Couture). I really don't see him having trouble doing the same thing to Weidman, Okami, Bisping, and (maybe) Vitor.

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Also Amagov's back kick from 166 in super slow mo.

Grimmlokk_sl said:

Also, when the fuck are we gonna get a real word on an opponent for Aldo? Usually by the 3 month mark we have some real talk. Right now they have 3 legit contenders in Lamas, Swanson, and Mendes. Swanson has the best recent resume but he's got losses to Aldo and Lamas already. Mendes is on a crazy tear with 4 straight KOs, but the fight before those Aldo KTFO's him last January. So it's got to be Lamas, right? 4 fight streak with some real quality in there, but he has bad luck. He was supposed to fight KZ in July before KZ got tapped to step up to Aldo. So he's been on the shelf a lot over the last 2 years.

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No sooner asked...

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Chael is fucking crazy if he agrees to go to Brazil.

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I disagree with the stuff about Machida, in the Heath, Hoger, ect he hit them with some brutal shots, they just werent enough, I mean how many knees did David heath eat to the head?