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Jive Turkey said:
Amazing how all these refs are able to recognize when a guy is unconscious, but a fighter standing right in front of him somehow isn't.

Whatever. Let them bang, bro. TapOut 4eva
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Again, the ref is a 3rd party, and the guy with the best view the entire situation.

Read that, the ref has the best view on the ENTIRE situation, of both fighters, of whats been happening from the previous rounds.

Which is diff from a fighters perspective, of just, KILL.

Most fighters can't even recall what happened 10s previously, why? adrenaline, rage, getting knocked in the fucking head...

Fighters are not reading the situation, they don't know whats happening, but the ref does (consequently, also the corners, thats why you have corner men telling you what to do and whats happening), the ref can tell what is happening, and probably what is going to happen.

Like Big Jon w/ Robbie v. Rory, he was just waiting for Rory drop from exhaustion and zero air intake and getting Lawler bombs all day.


But you somehow, just like to "paint the picture" that i'm a bloodthirsty Mongol (i'm not btw, i'm 100% Han Chinese), and i want to see ppl die in the octagon, come up with a better argument.
 
Jive Turkey

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As was already pointed out, there are fighters who don't beat the fuck out of an unconscious opponent. Your argument is invalid

(I don't think you're a savage. I just think you're trying to lump vastly different scenarios together and are refusing to acknowledge that, yes, sometimes fighters know the opponent is out and still choose to pound away despite the fact that the win was a forgone conclusion by that point).

You must be bored of this, right? I can't help taking the bait. Only you can stop this
 
Ameraves

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Lanx said:
But you somehow, just like to "paint the picture" that i'm a bloodthirsty Mongol (i'm not btw, i'm 100% Han Chinese), and i want to see ppl die in the octagon, come up with a better argument.
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I'm not trying to paint you as anything. I jumped in and put in 2 quotes, and added my opinion. Here they are again, just to remind you.
Jive Turkey said:
Reset. Do you think people ever pound on an obviously KO'd opponent just because the ref hasn't had a chance to intervene yet? Are you okay with people doing that?
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Lanx said:
100% ok, b/c they are in killer mode, they're seeing red, a few more hammerstrikes and they win! No different than seeing the finish line in a race and you magically push yourself to take one more step.
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You said you are 100% okay with them pounding on a clearly KO'd opponent just because the ref hadn't stopped it. I simply disagree with that statement because we have seen other fighters pull up and stop after they know a fighter is done, and not just Mark Hunt.

Agree to disagree
 
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Lanx

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Jive Turkey said:
As was already pointed out, there are fighters who don't beat the fuck out of an unconscious opponent. Your argument is invalid
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Who? we've only stated Mark Hunt, with his deep K1 champion experience knowns when a guy is out, who else?

The ratio of walk-off KO's or stopping cuz opponent is out, is so rare, it's probably 1 to 100, compared to fighters just hammerfisting away.

Just find 10 more non Mark Hunt stoppages then.
Ameraves said:
You said you are 100% okay with them pounding on a clearly KO'd opponent just because the ref hadn't stopped it. I simply disagree with that statement because we have seen other fighters pull up and stop after they know a fighter is done, and not just Mark Hunt.

Agree to disagree
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Again, what is clear to us, what is clear to the Ref, is going to be a different perspective to the fighter. How do we know that the other fighter, knows the downed guy is out? we don't, all we know is that they are trained to not give any quarter, b/c when you do, the fight could turn on a dime and you end up losing, no one wants that, no regrets, hammerfist until ref steps in.

I mean are you going to say that Holly clearly knew that Ronda was out, but just decided to "get a few good whacks in?"

Cuz when Holly throws that LHK, it's CroCop levels of lethal, guys have gotten woozy from it from sparring.
Ameraves said:
I'm not trying to paint you as anything. I jumped in and put in 2 quotes, and added my opinion.
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No, you did more than that, you're trying to uphold the "holyier than tho" attitude of "player safety first", which conversely means that if i don't have the same viewpoint, i'm the asshole.
Ameraves said:
Again, your stance is smash them in the face even if unconscious. Good for you. I disagree. We can leave it at that.
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Ameraves said:
Hey man, whatever floats your boat. If you are fine with them beating an unconscious person because the ref hasn't stopped them and they are "seeing red", then that's your prerogative. I disagree and think there is a cutoff where yes, the fighters do indeed know they can stop punching the unconscious person.
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I actually find it pretty disturbing that Lanx Lanx finds it okay to keep smashing a guy's face even if he is fully unconscious.
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"Holyier than tho attitude"
 
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Jive Turkey

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Who? we've only stated Mark Hunt, with his deep K1 champion experience knowns when a guy is out, who else?

The ratio of walk-off KO's or stopping cuz opponent is out, is so rare, it's probably 1 to 100, compared to fighters just hammerfisting away.

Just find 10 more non Mark Hunt stoppages then.
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Only Mark Hunt knows when people are unconscious? C'mon, man. You know how ridiculous that sounds. And you already said you were okay with guys beating on people they know are out, but now you're saying nobody except Hunt has the ability to know?

I already showed you Machida. I showed you Joe Blow who yelled at the ref that the guy had been choked out instead of hammer fisting him. Nelson rarely pounces on a fighter he just clocked. There are numerous examples, none of which I'm going to bother looking for gifs of.


Here's another test of what you really think. Let's hypothetically say for a second that we're certain Henderson knew both Bisping and Silva were out after they hit the ground. But he also knew he could get a shot in before the ref could stop him. Is that okay?
 
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Jive Turkey said:
And you already said you were okay with guys beating on people they know are out, but now you're saying nobody except Hunt has the ability to know?
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No i said fighters are trained to just go all out, doesn't matter if they believe the opponent is out or they think they've had enough, they train to destroy, why? b/c the Ref will stop it, you as the fighter do not have to worry about stoppage, the fight just has to go.
 
Jive Turkey

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Jive Turkey said:
Only Mark Hunt knows when people are unconscious? C'mon, man. You know how ridiculous that sounds.
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Lanx said:
No i said fighters are trained to just go all out, doesn't matter if they believe the opponent is out or they think they've had enough, they train to destroy, why? b/c the Ref will stop it, you as the fighter do not have to worry about stoppage, the fight just has to go.
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No you didn't


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Who? we've only stated Mark Hunt, with his deep K1 champion experience knowns when a guy is out, who else?
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This is craziness. I'm out (but probably not. Please stop)
 
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Ameraves

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Lanx said:
Who? we've only stated Mark Hunt, with his deep K1 champion experience knowns when a guy is out, who else?

The ratio of walk-off KO's or stopping cuz opponent is out, is so rare, it's probably 1 to 100, compared to fighters just hammerfisting away.

Just find 10 more non Mark Hunt stoppages then.

Again, what is clear to us, what is clear to the Ref, is going to be a different perspective to the fighter. How do we know that the other fighter, knows the downed guy is out? we don't, all we know is that they are trained to not give any quarter, b/c when you do, the fight could turn on a dime and you end up losing, no one wants that, no regrets, hammerfist until ref steps in.

I mean are you going to say that Holly clearly knew that Ronda was out, but just decided to "get a few good whacks in?"

Cuz when Holly throws that LHK, it's CroCop levels of lethal, guys have gotten woozy from it from sparring.

No, you did more than that, you're trying to uphold the "holyier than tho" attitude of "player safety first", which conversely means that if i don't have the same viewpoint, i'm the asshole.

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Again, all things you said, not me. You said it was okay to pound on them, not me. So I am not sure how that makes me painting you to be a "Mongol". You want to put me up as me thinking I am holier than thou, go right ahead. As Jive has listed out, there are multiple instances of fighters pulling up when they know the fighter is done.

You seem upset. You should go out and have a nice weekend (even though it's only Wednesday!). And yeah, I am done with this conversation. I have stated my opinion, I disagree with yours, and I am going to leave it at that.
 
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Ameraves said:
You seem upset. You should go out and have a nice weekend (even though it's only Wednesday!). And yeah, I am done with this conversation. I have stated my opinion, I disagree with yours, and I am going to leave it at that.
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Is this your way of being factitious?, in what way have i've seen upset? Wednesday is actually a good day, this one in particular I get to pick up my comics today, and it'll be good ones.
 
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Lanx said:
Is this your way of being factitious?, in what way have i've seen upset? Wednesday is actually a good day, this one in particular I get to pick up my comics today, and it'll be good ones.
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Yes, I was attempting to be funny. Did you never read the Amod thread on the old forums?
 
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I should dig out my old comics at my parents house and see what I've got. Only problem is I got into them just as Image was taking off (ie, most of them are worthless :( )
 
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Jive Turkey said:
In other news, Rousey signed up to get the shit kicked out of her by Nunes in December.
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Maybe Ronda won't be stupid and attempt to strike with Nunes, and will be able to get her to the ground. Dana says that if Ronda wins she will definitely fight Cyborg. I doubt it actually happens, and if it does I expect Cyborg to rape her
 
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I hope Ronda does do something stupid so she can be forever gone from this sport. Man I can't stand her.
 
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