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Ameraves

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Jive Turkey said:
Reset. Do you think people ever pound on an obviously KO'd opponent just because the ref hasn't had a chance to intervene yet? Are you okay with people doing that?
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Lanx said:
100% ok, b/c they are in killer mode, they're seeing red, a few more hammerstrikes and they win! No different than seeing the finish line in a race and you magically push yourself to take one more step.
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Rezz said:
I'm not sure what you're arguing. Yeah, people that knowingly hit downed and unconscious fighters are probably assholes and shouldn't be in the sport (you know, antics like Palhares with the obvious tweaking post tap) but if you think for a second that Dan had enough time to process that his opponent was out and that he had won, you're absolutely delusional. That doesn't make Hendo a good guy or a bad guy; in fact I don't think anyone is arguing the fact.
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@Rezz, I am not sure if you even know what Jive Turkey Jive Turkey was originally arguing. Lanx Lanx says it is 100% okay to just keep beating the shit out of a fully unconscious fighter until the ref steps in. Even if you know he is out, it is okay to do it because "they are seeing red".

I am not going to get into the stupid argument of whether or not Dan Henderson knows when a guy is KO'd before he follows up with more strikes. But I am in 100% agreement with Jive here, and that fighters are fully capable of backing off once a fighter is clearly KO'd. There are multiple examples of fighters stopping when they know the fighter is clearly out and done. I actually find it pretty disturbing that Lanx Lanx finds it okay to keep smashing a guy's face even if he is fully unconscious.
 
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It's a stupid fucking argument to begin with. The ref has been and will always be and is charged by the sanctioning body to protect both fighters and to give each a fair even chance at winning, period. At the end of the day both fighters agree to enter into combat with another human being that can result in death no matter how careful they are. Armchair refereeing is dumb.
 
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grumblethorn said:
It's a stupid fucking argument to begin with. The ref has been and will always be and is charged by the sanctioning body to protect both fighters and to give each a fair even chance at winning, period. At the end of the day both fighters agree to enter into combat with another human being that can result in death no matter how careful they are. Armchair refereeing is dumb.
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Yeah I think the original point here was someone complaining about refs tackling the winning fighter? Whoever said that is dumb. It's not about finesse, it's about protecting the unconscious guy from possible career/life ending injury.
 
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Ameraves said:
@Rezz, I am not sure if you even know what Jive Turkey Jive Turkey was originally arguing. Lanx Lanx says it is 100% okay to just keep beating the shit out of a fully unconscious fighter until the ref steps in. Even if you know he is out, it is okay to do it because "they are seeing red".

I am not going to get into the stupid argument of whether or not Dan Henderson knows when a guy is KO'd before he follows up with more strikes. But I am in 100% agreement with Jive here, and that fighters are fully capable of backing off once a fighter is clearly KO'd. There are multiple examples of fighters stopping when they know the fighter is clearly out and done. I actually find it pretty disturbing that Lanx Lanx finds it okay to keep smashing a guy's face even if he is fully unconscious.
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Again, exhibit A is Holly v. Ronda, wMMA's sweetheart was ready to reign down at least another if not two or 3 hammerfists from hell.

SURE, we as the third party and we're getting a fucking helicopter view, can clearly see that Ronda was done w/ that headkick.

At this point, this is the second time Holly even wants to goto the ground (the first one was the tackle)
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You're gonna tell me that it didn't take all of Holly's courage to even go in for the hammerfists? Hell, for all she knew Ronda coulda played possum and was waiting to armbar her from the ground... so... Holly is just supposed to think, oh wait... maybe she's done? right? yea???

No, b/c there is only one guy in the world who can say that, so she doesn't have to worry about even thinking that and letting "nice" cloud her judgement.

I mean you're going in there to fuck someone up anyway, you've training forever to fuck the other person up, the audience has payed big to see some sort of fuck up... yet you're supposed to think "hmm, is this person out, should i throw this hammerfist and risk getting arm barred like Fedor?

No, just let them go, the fucking Ref is there to stop you.

Again, the fighter doesn't not know if/when a fighter is out 100%, so they can't take that chance. Only a skilled K1 fighter/champ like Mark Hunt would know.

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Hey man, whatever floats your boat. If you are fine with them beating an unconscious person because the ref hasn't stopped them and they are "seeing red", then that's your prerogative. I disagree and think there is a cutoff where yes, the fighters do indeed know they can stop punching the unconscious person.
 
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Ameraves said:
Hey man, whatever floats your boat. If you are fine with them beating an unconscious person because the ref hasn't stopped them and they are "seeing red", then that's your prerogative. I disagree and think there is a cutoff where yes, the fighters do indeed know they can stop punching the unconscious person.
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You cannot leave the decisions up to the fighters, it just leads to controversy, like Ronda's third fight where she armbarred D'aleio and Ronda was talking to Mazzagatti and saying she verbally tapped, and he believed her


So what did this lead to? Ronda doesn't ever let that arm go.

This is Ronda basically deciding that Sara had enough, and she's gonna rip off that arm. I have no doubt 5more seconds and Sara would be tapping faster than Mitrione to Rothwell
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Lenas said:
The original complaint was that the direction the ref tackled Manua could have fucked up OSP's knee, ending his career.
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Well I think that's an extreme example, and I stand by the belief that refs tackling fighters is going to prevent more injuries than it causes.
 
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I never want to see a fighter hold back in getting the finish/stopped by the ref. The fighters need to go in there with full intentions of smashing their opponent until the opponent is deemed to not continue by the ref, or gives up on their own, or has their towel thrown in by their corner.
 
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Muurloen said:
I never want to see a fighter hold back in getting the finish/stopped by the ref. The fighters need to go in there with full intentions of smashing their opponent until the opponent is deemed to not continue by the ref, or gives up on their own, or has their towel thrown in by their corner.
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Right on.
 
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Lanx said:
You cannot leave the decisions up to the fighters, it just leads to controversy, like Ronda's third fight where she armbarred D'aleio and Ronda was talking to Mazzagatti and saying she verbally tapped, and he believed her


So what did this lead to? Ronda doesn't ever let that arm go.

This is Ronda basically deciding that Sara had enough, and she's gonna rip off that arm. I have no doubt 5more seconds and Sara would be tapping faster than Mitrione to Rothwell
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Not talking about submissions. I am talking about a fighter being 100% unconscious, taking a nap, lights out, snoring, and his opponent continuing to pound on his face. If a fighter isn't going to tap and risk further injury, that is their fault. If they are totally unconscious, they have no recourse but to lay there and get pounded on. You are saying it is okay to just keep punching them until the ref stops it. I disagree and think that more often than not, a fighter knows the other dude is unconscious and can stop hitting him. That is all I am arguing.

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Ameraves said:
Not talking about submissions. I am talking about a fighter being 100% unconscious, taking a nap, lights out, snoring, and his opponent continuing to pound on his face. If a fighter isn't going to tap and risk further injury, that is their fault. If they are totally unconscious, they have no recourse but to lay there and get pounded on. You are saying it is okay to just keep punching them until the ref stops it. I disagree and think that more often than not, a fighter knows the other dude is unconscious and can stop hitting him. That is all I am arguing.
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Yea, see the thing is, for MMA, once an opponent is downed, you go in for the kill, you have to train for that, this is like the opposite of boxing, if they go down, you goto a corner.

A nice example is Holly's transition perdiod to MMA, her first MMA match she runs back
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And again, look at that 1s hesitation
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Here she celebrates, then remembers, oh shit, i gotta beat on her
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It took that long for Holly to just unleash her hammerfists from hell, no hesitation w/ the headkick followup, hell she looks like a savage!
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Again, your stance is smash them in the face even if unconscious. Good for you. I disagree. We can leave it at that.
 
Jive Turkey

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Yeah I think the original point here was someone complaining about refs tackling the winning fighter? Whoever said that is dumb. It's not about finesse, it's about protecting the unconscious guy from possible career/life ending injury.
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If you think the only way possible to separate the fighters quickly is to bulldoze them together, you're dumb
 
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Ameraves said:
Not talking about submissions. I am talking about a fighter being 100% unconscious, taking a nap, lights out, snoring, and his opponent continuing to pound on his face. If a fighter isn't going to tap and risk further injury, that is their fault. If they are totally unconscious, they have no recourse but to lay there and get pounded on. You are saying it is okay to just keep punching them until the ref stops it. I disagree and think that more often than not, a fighter knows the other dude is unconscious and can stop hitting him. That is all I am arguing.
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Amazing how all these refs are able to recognize when a guy is unconscious, but a fighter standing right in front of him somehow isn't.
So basically, the arguments are:

Don't continue to beat the shit out of a guy if you know he's unconscious.
"he can't help it, bro! You gotta keep on punchin' till the ref pulls you off! You can't even tell when a guy is unconscious!"

And

Hey ref, maybe don't bulldoze the fighters into one another. You can get them apart just as quickly with less hamfisted moves.
"nah, the ref has to bulldoze!"

Whatever. Let them bang, bro. TapOut 4eva
 
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