MMA Thread

Would have been a no contest since it happened in the first round.

MsBehavn_sl said:

On record stating pre-fight; Chael is either going to bring hell to Jones doorstep or he'll win.

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Told you fools he was outclassed=P Like I said, every one has a chance every fight, but that chance was miniscule here. Younger, bigger, faster, stronger, elite wrestler, superior striker and superior BJJ. Where was Chael supposed to have any advantage? No one picking Chael was doing it based on anything more than desire to see him win.

So that dislocated thumb sucked, but I love that Russian dude's attitude to the win.




Wish the picks thing would update, I think I actually had a good event for once. Even if it was predicated on eyepokes and bad stoppages=P



BTW Rogan is always talking about changing the gloves, the only thing I could think of that would work would be some variation on thestriking training gloves. It would definitely be an adjustment, but other than that I can't imagine how you'd do something. I suppose you could leave the fingers open but have them basically stuck right together somehow and it would help a little bit.

Tuco_sl said:

I was wondering how it happened, that's really incredible. Thin skeletal structure ftl.

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It's going to really suck if this is the type of thing that haunts Jones' career.

Shit happens when you have 450lbs of guys straining their hardest and putting stress on small areas.


GIFS!

Tuco_sl said:

wrestling! haha

I was thinking about it this morning, I'm really surprised that JJ was able to manhandle Sonnen so easily.

I'm no doctor but I don't think it will compared to a knee injury. What other fighters have had a similar injury happen and what happened to their performance?

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I'm not sure about fighters with this type of injury, but foot issues really fuck with NFL and NBA players. Of course that's usually shit like plantar fasciitis, but the general principle is that foot injuries are the worst kind of nagging bullshit that tend to linger.

Adam12_sl said:

I'm not sure about fighters with this type of injury, but foot issues really fuck with NFL and NBA players. Of course that's usually shit like plantar fasciitis, but the general principle is that foot injuries are the worst kind of nagging bullshit that tend to linger.

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Hopefully they're smart and let it heal all the way. Broken toes aren't the kind of foot booboo that usually lingers on though. Think it's a pretty straightforward injury like most broken bones. Like you said, it's stuff like planar fasciitis, sprains, or turf toe that really drag on. Mostly because they try to come back too early.


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Davis has a really nice jab now. Aside from that though he's just not a natural striker. His attacks don't flow. He was trying to work angles some but it was very herky jerky. Also, his feet still slide all over the place. I mentioned it after the Rashad fight, but I thought it was just the mat that fight. But it's every fight.

A year or two back I was saying Davis is the guy that would end up giving JJ a run for his money, but his striking would have to improve a lot. Unfortunately for him over that span JJ's striking has improved far more, and he was well ahead when they started. Bones is a natural fighter and seems to take to every aspect of the sport like a fish to water. It's crazy, there's no one out there right now you can point to as someone who should have more than a lucky shot at beating him. Any one can land one punch to shock the world, but there's no one that SHOULD beat him based on skill etc. A guy like Gustafsson is a similar fighter, but JJ looks better than him at every aspect.

Chickfight was boring. Not their fault really, is there a more boring dominant finish than a crucifix most of the time? It's like winning via "stop hitting yourself!". No real damage, but clear dominance.

I like Cody McKenzie, and I hate Leonard Garcia. I think only idiots picked Garcia, no one who has watched him fight can possibly have any faith in him.

Miller/Healy was pretty damn awesome.

Bisping looked great. It's a GD shame he has like zero natural power in his hands. He'd actually be a threat to the best guys if he did.

And finally, that punch Nelson threw landed like a Russian hook. Hitting with the point of the first knuckle. Crazy focused power, but also crazy chance of broken hand.

MsBehavn_sl said:

That's as bad as the Tim Syvlia arm break.

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Sylvia's arm will always be the best break because it was his fault for trying to power his way out of a fucking submission.

Chael's an entertaining promoter but if he's 0-2 against Anderson and Jones is basically a younger variation on Anderson it was pretty much a stone lock that Chael had no reasonable shot. That toe and post fight was something special.

Cory Hill break > *


Also a related gif to the foot injury discussion.

Well the good thing about this toe injury may be that we get to see Machida vs. Gustafsson now.

Grimmlokk_sl said:

Can after can? Hendo? Rashad? Wandy? Chael? Stann? Belfort? Akiyama? Win or lose, he's fighting the best guys he can.

Again, letting the hate taint the view. Which is fine, it's what he goes for. I agree he's like a high end gatekeeper though. Top 5 gatekeeper I guess. But what do you want a guy in his position to say? He says he wants to fight for the belt, would you prefer he says "I enjoy getting near title contention and then losing repeatedly".

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He is fed cans to pad his record for UK market. Of the people you listed most of them beat him, wand and belfort are past their prime and Stann has a crap record. Any time he comes up against a decent fighter he loses or he gets a bullshit decision like Matt Hamil fight.

ilikefoods_sl said:

He is fed cans to pad his record for UK market. Of the people you listed most of them beat him, wand and belfort are past their prime and Stann has a crap record.

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Belfort just fought for a belt. Two belts even. Wandy is old obviously, but still dangerous and if you call him a can it's because you are a stupid person. Stann was making a title push at the time after dropping to 185.

So half+ of his fights are against high ranked fighters as good or better than him? You consider this being "fed cans"? You understand what you are trying to say right? You are implying they match him up against bad fighters that he can easily beat to make him look good. Pretty much anyone outside of the Sherdog forums got over this idea about 5 years ago when it stopped having even a vague semblance of truth to it. Charles McCarthy after the Evans fight would be the last fight that really qualifies. Move on, find something new to harp on. Maybe something that doesn't make you sound like a clueless time traveler from 2007.

Grimmlokk_sl said:

Belfort just fought for a belt. Two belts even. Wandy is old obviously, but still dangerous and if you call him a can it's because you are a stupid person. Stann was making a title push at the time after dropping to 185.

So half+ of his fights are against high ranked fighters as good or better than him? You consider this being "fed cans"? You understand what you are trying to say right? You are implying they match him up against bad fighters that he can easily beat to make him look good. Pretty much anyone outside of the Sherdog forums got over this idea about 5 years ago when it stopped having even a vague semblance of truth to it. Charles McCarthy after the Evans fight would be the last fight that really qualifies. Move on, find something new to harp on. Maybe something that doesn't make you sound like a clueless time traveler from 2007.

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Belfort has said he didn't deserve a title shot and title shots are based on politics. Add in the fact that there was nobody else to fight Anderson Silva because he has cleaned out the division and he gets a title shot. He got the jones fight after everyone else was either turned down or pulled out with injury (Dan henderson knee injury, Machida turned down fight, Chael Sonnen was refused) Wanderlei has potential to knock anyone out but he is passed it, he is old and predictable - when he beat Bisping he was 1-3 in the UFC.

24-5. 10 of those came before he was in the UFC, when he was fighting nobodies with crap records in the UK, can ignore them. That leaves 14-5. Of those there isn't anyone who doesn't think that Matt Hamil won that fight, that leaves him 13-6. These so called great fighters that he has beaten? Elvis Sinosic, Eric Schaefer, Charles McCarthy, Jason Day, Jorge Riviera, Denis Kang, Chris Leben, Sexiyama, Jason Miller, Dan Miller.

To give you an idea of just how popular MMA is in Britain - the only time it is ever mentioned in the media is by tabloid newspapers when Bisping or Dan Hardy were fighting in UFC, they occasionally bring up Brad Pickett too.

Your average american fan probably hates him because he was billed as the villian in England versus America. I hate him because he is a dick and a has a crap record.

edit: for clarity, when i say cans I mean by UFC / world class standards. Sure they can beat most fighters in the world but at top level they're considered crap and dont have a hope in hell of competing for the title.

ilikefoods_sl said:

These so called great fighters that he has beaten?

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Who said he beat great fighters? You said he's fed cans. I pointed out he's fighting top competition. He's losing to them, but he's fighting them. Losing to fighters better than you is basically the exact opposite of being fed cans. I'm not sure where the disconnect here is. It's not a tricky concept. He's fighting exactly the level of fighters someone in his position should be, if not maybe a little harder fights. You go back and list a bunch of guys from his first UFC fights, as if most TUF contestants come in and fight GSP or something.

Hate him all day for being a dick and losing fights and being overhyped and having a douchey face, just get the fuck over the myth that he's fighting cans.

Glass Chin Kongo dropped by UFC.