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Monastery Mentor makes me think jeskai Ascendancy is more likely to be on this months banned list. Ridiculous amount of triggers possible :
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Perfect draw you get +1/+1 and an extra guy on Turn 4 for a two card combo assuming you had a cantrip to trigger it. Turn 5 would get crazy but by then they should have a lethal threat or answer themselves.Monastery Mentor makes me think jeskai Ascendancy is more likely to be on this months banned list. Ridiculous amount of triggers possible :
The current Jeskai Combo decks are trying to play four spells on Turn 4 for ridiculous triggers, not spending that mana on a three drop. I'm sure that this card is going to be good but it isn't automatically going to slot into the current decks without a tradeoff.
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It's not the pay to win argument, actually. It's the Mythic argument. Here is what Mark Rosewater had to say when they were first introduced
Mythics is not supposed to the rarity where you find basic color staples. Monastery Mentor is a mono color non-legendary white dude with two on-color abilities but he's mythic for some reason.
Voice of Resurgence still pisses me off thinking about it.
drtyrm
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A Young Pyromancer variant is a far cry from a "glorified white weenie" in my opinion.
I went away from the Abzan control list I'd been winning with to try Jeskai Tokens. I didn't enjoy playing it that much. When it goes off it feels broken as fuck but trying to match up your burn vs Siege Rhino felt awful. I'd rather be on the value side.
I went away from the Abzan control list I'd been winning with to try Jeskai Tokens. I didn't enjoy playing it that much. When it goes off it feels broken as fuck but trying to match up your burn vs Siege Rhino felt awful. I'd rather be on the value side.
They're both mythic for reasons I think are fairly straightforward. I shouldn't need to explain for Soulfire Facerape, I think.
I think Monastery Mentor is mythic simply because the tokens also have prowess, and because of Jeskai Ascendancy, its theme, and the sheer support white and red provide for triggering the abilities. You look at it, and go "holy shit" as to what it can do, which is exactly what they were after. It could be simpler than that, in that Monastery Mentor was crazy good to get in Limited, so they made it Mythic to keep its rate of appearance down more. That can happen, they say.
I don't think it's fair to call them both white weenies, though, even though they "technically" are in the public's eyes. The reason being, I don't see Soulfire Grand Master as an aggressive weenie (in a traditional aggro deck). Seeker of the Way goes more with Monastery Mentor as the white weenie, whereas you'd want to maximize Soulfire Grand Master's pseudo-buyback and hold it in reserve for later unless you'd drawn multiples early, since it'd add up that much.
I think Monastery Mentor is mythic simply because the tokens also have prowess, and because of Jeskai Ascendancy, its theme, and the sheer support white and red provide for triggering the abilities. You look at it, and go "holy shit" as to what it can do, which is exactly what they were after. It could be simpler than that, in that Monastery Mentor was crazy good to get in Limited, so they made it Mythic to keep its rate of appearance down more. That can happen, they say.
I don't think it's fair to call them both white weenies, though, even though they "technically" are in the public's eyes. The reason being, I don't see Soulfire Grand Master as an aggressive weenie (in a traditional aggro deck). Seeker of the Way goes more with Monastery Mentor as the white weenie, whereas you'd want to maximize Soulfire Grand Master's pseudo-buyback and hold it in reserve for later unless you'd drawn multiples early, since it'd add up that much.
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Planeswalkers, most legends, epic feeling spells and creatures, and this 2/2 white dude that makes tokens. Riiiiiiiight.
The whole cycle of dudes with hybrid activated abilities at mythic I don't like either. We've got legendary dudes hybrid activated abilities at rare and a bunch of legendary dragons at rare but not the 3/3 for 4 orc. He's amythic.It all looks reversed.
The whole cycle of dudes with hybrid activated abilities at mythic I don't like either. We've got legendary dudes hybrid activated abilities at rare and a bunch of legendary dragons at rare but not the 3/3 for 4 orc. He's amythic.It all looks reversed.
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Mentor does have me looking at some older cards and wondering if they might have new life. Ephara, for instance, seems very strong with Mentor. She'll trigger a token, which will trigger cantrip ability. Now every spell you cast nets you a dude an draws you a card.
Here is what he said yesterday.
jacesminion asked: Following up on my previous question regarding mythic uniqueness. From when mythic was announced you said "We want the flavor of mythic rare to be something that feels very special and unique. Generally speaking we expect that to mean cards like Planeswalkers, most legends, and epic-feeling creatures and spells. They will not just be a list of each set's most powerful tournament-level cards." While awesome monks are really cool, it seems like the later is exactly what is happening.
What I was saying and what is still true, is that our goal is not to take all the powerful cards and just put them at mythic rare. The fifteen mythic rares from Khans of Tarkir are not the fifteen best constructed cards in the set. The most powerful Khans of Tarkir card, for example, is common.
What I was *not* saying was that we wouldn?t put good, powerful cards at mythic rare. All rarities get good cards and that includes mythic rare.
What has changed since I?ve written that article (and remember it?s from over six years ago from before the public had seen mythic rares) is that we?ve adapted to the audience.
Early on, we were putting more expensive (aka high converted mana cost) cards at mythic rare, things that came across as more powerful in game flavor. The problem is what the public wanted was to be excited by the mythic rares and only one small subset was excited by the ?Timmy mythic rares?.
The biggest criticism we were getting was that the mythic rares weren?t exciting enough, that players weren?t happy opening them, so we realized we had to branch out on the type of exciting mythic rares we were making. We had to excite not just the Timmies of the world but the Johnnies and Spikes as well. We wanted all players to be excited when they opened a mythic rare.
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If people weren't too keen on Mythic rares as they were originally envisioned than by all means remove that rarity rather than making it the premium rarity a la Yu-Gi-Oh. I wasn't for them at their inception for exactly this reason and while it took longer to get here than I thought it would we are still here nonetheless. You could rewrite that paragraph replacing "exciting" with "valuable" and it would be far more truthful. I look forward to the cost of Jeskai klan strategies increasing by 300-400 dollars instantly.
But hey, I just came back to the game with Khans after a long absence and really just draft at FNM once per week. Expecting MtG to cater to me would be absurd. But I don't like it. At all.
But hey, I just came back to the game with Khans after a long absence and really just draft at FNM once per week. Expecting MtG to cater to me would be absurd. But I don't like it. At all.