NBA 2015-2016 Season thread

I was wondering how badly the Cavs were curbstomping the Raptors, but, what a pleasant surprise, when I started watching the game, the two teams were almost tied! My smile did not last long...

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Szlia_sl said:

I was wondering how badly the Cavs were curbstomping the Raptors, but, what a pleasant surprise, when I started watching the game, the two teams were almost tied! My smile did not last long...

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So it was YOUR fault things went to shit!

There were a lot of ticky tacky calls on the Raptors tonight. Which is fine if you're going to call that shit against the Cavs, too, but they weren't. Not sure it would have made a difference. I didn't even hear the stat about neither Lowry nor DeRozan getting to the line once in Game 1 until tonight. Part of that is the whistles, but part of it is also the fact that they're not driving to the hoop. Getting really sick of them going up for a shot and passing out of it, too. I thought people stopped doing that regularly in the late 90s.

Just really hoping we take at least one of these home games. Season is a success regardless, but not getting swept would be nice.

So much talk today about trading Oak to Boston for their 3rd pick. No thanks.

Djay_sl said:

There were a lot of ticky tacky calls on the Raptors tonight. Which is fine if you're going to call that shit against the Cavs, too, but they weren't.

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Kaines_sl said:

Between this and the multiple missed calls at the end of the games during the Spurs series, it is more than obvious that the NBA is in the tank for the Thunder this season so that they finally get their dream matchup of Durrant vs Lebron.

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Right? Right?

popsicledeath_sl said:

Right? Right?

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The NBA is the absolutely worst officiated professional sport. And most of it comes down to consistency. NBA officials are the most inconsistent officials not just from game to game, but quarter to quarter. It's embarrassing how bad they are. MLB plate umpires are better.

Kaines_sl said:

The NBA is the absolutely worst officiated professional sport. And most of it comes down to consistency. NBA officials are the most inconsistent officials not just from game to game, but quarter to quarter. It's embarrassing how bad they are. MLB plate umpires are better.

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Maybe because its the highest tempo sport and the refs have to make more calls by far than all the other sports? Im not defending incompetence but I remember playing 3 on 3s at the schoolyard basketball court and shit was constantly going down over people being hacked, no travel calls, what should be a jump ball etc., and that was a ragtag crew of 12 year olds playing on tar.

I cant imagine whats its like trying to officiate 10 pro personalities who make millions based off of their performance, not to mention 20k people in the arena, and your bosses + millions watching on tv.

So you're comparing your retarded 12 year old self to a professional?

Ok.

Itlan_sl said:

So you're comparing your retarded 12 year old self to a professional?

Ok.

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Yeah, they were rag tag, but shit was constantly going down over calls, yo! Totally relates to the NBA refs sucking!

The more valid comparison would be how plenty of NBA players argue and complain like they're homies playing at the local park yelling "that wasn't no foul" over and over until everyone finally agrees to let them shoot for it if they'll shut the fuck up.

Itlan_sl said:

So you're comparing your retarded 12 year old self to a professional?

Ok.

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Lol what?

How the fuck did you get that out of my post? Most of you faggots never played basketball, and the point of bringing up schoolyard ball is its usually poor at best due to lack of officiating.

Ever go to a jr high basketball game and watch the ref? The guy is usually running around blowing the fucking whistle constantly, in the pro game its the same hustle except its a multi million dollar enterprise watched by millions.

Whats tougher in your sage opinion, being an NBA official or an NFL/MLB umpire?

It's funny watching people try to diminish Jah's value. The guy has so much upside and that's why Boston went hard for him. I've been reading a lot of the mock trades with Boston and I think a lot of those people lose sight that the Sixers hold all the power in those talks. Boston wants Okafor, sounds like they want him pretty bad. I'm still using that as leverage to work with the Lakers on getting that #2 pick and Russell. We have assets to trade and the Lakers don't want to rebuild. Who knows what Indy would do if the Lakers are offering some 1st round picks and Randle for PG?

I think what the Sixers should really explore is trading Noel to the Pelicans for their #6 pick, NO needs a center badly and Noel has way more upside than any Center in this draft. That would give them a little more FA attraction to go hard on a guy like Beal. Outside the top 2, you're really reaching into the unknown, Going a Noel trade then max offer to a guy like Beal, makes you a competitive team next season. That gives the Sixers a good shot at either Dunn, Murray, Buddy or Brown.

Plus Sixers keep Jah, and have plenty of picks/assets going forward. Next years draft is deeper, Put Jah in a position to excel and his value will continue to increase which gives you options this time next year to really go hard on the best players in that draft if you don't see a future with him.


P.S Cavs win everything in 6 games.

I like this NBA Draft: What is Ben Simmons' NBA ceiling?

Jozu_sl said:

Lol what?

How the fuck did you get that out of my post? Most of you faggots never played basketball, and the point of bringing up schoolyard ball is its usually poor at best due to lack of officiating.

Ever go to a jr high basketball game and watch the ref? The guy is usually running around blowing the fucking whistle constantly, in the pro game its the same hustle except its a multi million dollar enterprise watched by millions.

Whats tougher in your sage opinion, being an NBA official or an NFL/MLB umpire?

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The best thing to do in your situation was to double down, call people faggots, challenge whether others ever actually played basketball (which if your argument is the NBA is such high tempo whether we played would only be relevant if it was in the NBA), and then once again compare the inconsistent officiating in a professional sports to your experiences on the schoolyard.

I would say the NBA is getting tougher, but mostly because the NFL and MLB have worked to do away with their bullshit attitude of the ref/ump is always right and in a sense given up some in-the-moment control by implementing additional technology with the intention of getting calls right. Whereas the NBA does the awkward thing where they don't give the tools to their refs to get the calls right, then put out reports about how wrong they were, and the technology they do let the refs use is often confusing and/or mishandled anyhow.

If you're the official, which call would you rather be tasked with making? A bang-bang play at home plate in the MLB, trying to interpret any number of the NFL's did-the-player-hit-too-late-or-too-high or was-it-a-catch rules.... or whether Westbrook traveled, or a blatant intentional foul in a situation where everyone was expecting an intentional foul or whether Manu got elbowed in the fucking chest right in front of the sole ref who is expected to do nothing else but make that call as he's counting to 5?

Well, I'd rather be the one making a call in any other sport because they better use technology to ensure I don't ruin the game for the fans and while it may not be a widespread conspiracy something has always been fucked in the NBA. One of the big difference is other sports have worked hard to eliminate the situation where everyone at home watching on TV saw the call the officials missed. Meanwhile, the NBA still can't manage to make basic calls that everyone watching at home, and in the stands, from the sidelines and the players on the court themselves all knew was a missed call.

And no, the root problem really isn't because when Jozu was a kid players would argue every call because the tempo of their 3on3 games or that he's got major insight because nobody else here played schoolyard basketball.

You're insane if you think Lakers would trade the #2 and Russell for Okafor

Ambiturner_sl said:

You're insane if you think Lakers would trade the #2 and Russell for Okafor

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go back and read what I wrote..

Slaythe_sl said:

Danny Ainge really wanted Robert Swift too. It's not impossible for Okafor to turn into a solid NBA player, the odds are just against him. It's not often that players play as bad as he did as a rookie but still turn into the all NBA center you project him to be. There are counter examples, of course. Lavine was absolute horse shit as a rookie and looks like he'll turn into an NBA starter after year two. But these are going to be exceptions to the rule.

And you're still in video game world with the trades. PG isn't getting traded for a package centered around Randle. The Lakers aren't giving you their entire young core for Okafor. Noel is worth more than #6. Boston doesn't have leverage over LA in those negotiations because #3 isn't worth nearly as much as #2 this year and LA knows it. The most likely scenario here is you just draft Simmons and move forward. And then there's a slight chance that Okafor gets moved, as he's the obvious choices (Embiid has no trade value until he plays healthy, Noel is proven). But his value isn't that of multiple young assets. Swap him for Ingram, maybe. For the 3 and Marcus Smart, maybe. But since the Sixers hold all the cards here I would suggest going after Towns and Wiggins for Okafor. I mean, you have plenty of assets to get that done, right? Obviously what the Sixers hold is worth more than what any other team has.

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We just talked about this! I think the Lakers would be all ears on moving Russell but I think that's b/c I don't think the Lakers want to wait and build, I think they want to trade for a superstar and to do that they are going to need more assets. Overall, I think Jah had the better rookie season as well. I really don't know what gets the Lakers a guy like PG but I think there is enough noise about it that they make the phone call and find out.. If it's possible, I don't see Russell or that 2nd pick safe. I understand that doesn't mean they are coming our way either, but I get the sense there is chance for a blockbuster trade to be made before this draft and you'll disagree with this but Okafor seems to be the guy most valued in all of this.

P.S. I do know I'm over thinking this.. but how much do you really think it would cost to get Russell from the Lakers? Btw.. our lakers pick isn't unprotected next year, I was wrong on that.

Convo_sl said:

What do you think it would cost? I think you undervalue Oak a bit and I prob overvalue but do you see the possibility of trading him straight up for Ingram? I think there is a very high chance lakers make a deal like that. And i bet they call us about it. If so, I'm bringing Russell up as a prerequisite to that deal being made. That leaves Russell for picks. Which we have. Next year we have the lakers 1st(unprotected) ours and the rights to swap 1st Rd picks with the Kings. It wouldn't even surprise me if the lakers wanted to trade Russell straight up for Oak. Obviously I'm having a little fun kicking this stuff around but i don't think it's as impossible as you think. Again, it depends on how they go at FA. If they can convince Durant to sign there and go trade for PG, well that team is looking pretty good with Oak under the rim than Russell at PG because you can still go out and get a guy like Conley to run the offense.

Ok. I'm done my GM fantasy trades!

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Slaythe_sl said:

I wouldn't trade Okafor for Ingram but I could see why the Lakers might. You aren't far off with that idea. In general you're undervaluing Russell, who was drafted ahead of Okafor and still has more potential than him or anyone in this draft. He's their future and I can guarantee the Lakers value him highly. That Nick Young video bullshit doesn't decrease his potential.

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Slaythe_sl said:

How does flipping Russell and Ingram for Okafor after dealing for a veteran slow down a rebuild? Your logic is there are PGs available in FA, making Russell expendable? That's pretty weak logic I think. Are willing to wait until the offseason is over to flip Okafor for Ingram? Because I think it would be pretty dumb for a team to bank on their ability to sign a PG in free agency on draft night, leveraging their future to do so. In this scenario why is Hassan Whiteside not an equally good counter point to Conley, where the Lakers keep Russell but sign a C in the offseason? They keep Ingram in this scenario too.

All of these things can't just all magically happen. There isn't a realistic scenario where the Lakers fleece the Pacers out of Paul George (Randle and what? A 2018 and 2020 first?), keep #2 and ALSO flip it for Okafor (while throwing in Russell for good measure). It's just so far outside the realm of possibility it's not worth speculating on. The way you talk about Okafor I promise you Laker fans feel similar about Russell. And you'd say the same thing if he was on the Sixers. I understand that you think any Sixers asset is worth more than any other team's, but if you could take the homer hat off I think you'd realize that all teams value their young players and draft picks.

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Besides Boston!

I know I'm getting ridiculous with the fantasy GM stuff.. I just think where there is smoke there is fire, and it's crazy how fast the Okafor for Lakers 2 pick started. To the point where I think there is serious validity to it. It honestly wouldn't shock me if he's a laker next season.

I can see your point about Russell tho, I'm ok with next years draft class and our odds of being in a really good position to grab a guard so it's not that big of a deal, but I think the Sixers would be willing to overpay for Russell based on his relationship with Simmons and our desire for a quality PG.

My whole thought process revolves around the assumption that the Lakers don't want to rebuild and that they are an attractive FA market(which they are) and that PG is actually available via trade. Tons of ifs on my part! So like 2% chance of all happening!

Would you trade Noel for Jamal Murray?