Pigbenis
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He was out for 2 games. Do you watch basketball?
I didn't say better.
NBA 2015 Playoffs Thread
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I do not. Do you think a 12 game stretch is enough to make some definitive measure of a player's ability? What does JR's production look like if you remove his one 8 three pointer game?
But you guys are right. The Cleveland big 3 of LeBron, Kyrie and JR Smith have this one in the bag.
Pigbenis
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Pretty sure I never said that either. All kinds of fail today.
Ok. Go look at this season and their career number... I'm not going to post them because I can only do so much. Again, not saying JR is better than an all star, but it's close. Plus JR did join a new team halfway through the season.
This is best Cavs team in decades dammit! This may not be our year, but I'll still defend them all the way.
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JR Smith isn't anywhere near the level of Klay Thompson despite having a good playoffs. He's the very definition of an inefficient chucker that more times than not is shooting you out of games rather than helping to win them. The guy has more talent than most but has never known what to do with it. He's a very selfish player.
Now go ahead and respond with some meaningless per game stats that ignore pace and efficiency to prove your knowledge on the subject.
Now go ahead and respond with some meaningless per game stats that ignore pace and efficiency to prove your knowledge on the subject.
Pigbenis
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JR shot .457 this year. The next person better than him? Klay Thompson at .459. I'm the arbiter of truth on this stupid topic.
Klay plays a big role in the warriors pace no doubt. That's actually how the Cavs beat them back in February, by keeping them out of tempo.
popsicledeath
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Nobody is claiming you said these things. Since you don't seem to be getting it I'll walk through the process.
You say dumb things. We take your dumb things, further apply the same dumb 'logic' you seem to be using to conclude the dumb things you say, and push those dumb methods to the next step. This next step is usually so ridiculous even the person saying the original dumb thing, using their dumb logic, sees the fault in the new statement. It's a rhetorical technique used to disprove an original flawed statement or theory.
For instance, the statement is made that JR Smith has similar stats to Klay Thompson. The statement is also made that the Cavs have a better defense than the Warriors in the playoffs. If we assume these two statements are true, the next logical step is to conclude that since JR Smith and Klay Thompson are similar in the playoffs, but JR Smith has been contributing to a better defense, thus it's logical to conclude that JR Smith is a greater asset and better player than Klay Thompson.
In the form of a logical proof it looks as followed:
If Thompson and Smith have similar stats,
And Smith has contributed to a better defense,
Then Smith is ultimately the more valuable or better player.
See, this doesn't work, not even if your own dumb head. It's absurd, because attributing any defensive success to JR Smith is something nobody would believe. Your gut tells you no, JR Smith can't be seen as better than another player on account of defense. Also, while their stats may be the 'same' to some analyzing them, they've come from different play-styles and with differing affects. No team puts a top defender on JR Smith, while Klay Thompson is more prone to other teams trying to stifle his role in his respective offense. In part, that's because Klay Thompson contributes in more and arguably in better ways, like driving to the basket, cutting without the ball, passing the ball.
One assumes the original statements true, follows their conclusion to a logical fallacy, and must conclude one or both of the original statements must be false.
See, it's not so much we're just callously making fun of you, but that we're making fun of your capacity for logical, coherent thought.
edit: and before you defend yourself by saying some other dumb retard said the thing about the Cavs defense, a) we know you nodded in agreement to that dumb 'stat' b) you're all the same retard to me and c) the same logical fallacy could be made using the fact JR Smith missed time because he swung at a dude so is obviously a greater liability to his team.
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Regardless of what you posted above, which I didn't really read, after signing Mozgov, Shumpert, and Smith the Cavs had the best record in the league. Fact. JR Smith had a pretty significant role in that. Fact. There are others who would also agree.The Cavaliers are in the NBA Finals because of 3 players the Knicks ditchedPersonal attacks don't make your points more valid.
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Pretty much this is why I've given up on it. Too many people with homo-erotic fantasies centered Curry and Thompson. They all believe that the Cavs should simply forfeit now to avoid having 300 to 2 point blowout losses (at halftime).
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Perfect year for it. Arguably the best two teams in the West to start the year lost in the first round in improbable fashion (Spurs) and didn't make the playoffs (OKC). Plus the East is a garbage dump of terrible.
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Look, no one thinks this is a slam dunk for GSW by any means. The Cavs are the team in the East I wanted to see the least because every other team would get beat handily by the Dubs. I could see this series being a nail biter and going to seven games. But there are people in this thread that are saying retarded shit like Cavs in five. That is not an educated prediction. Vegas isn't wrong often and they have the W's at 5/12 odds or something ridiculous like that.
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Thought you didn't read it? Or are you talking semantics and didn't read it because you had someone else read it to you? If so, I commend your courage.
JR Smith is a decent, if not streaky, 3 point shooter. It's something the Cavs needed, and it has helped them. That doesn't put him anywhere in the realm of talent or level of importance of him to the Cavs as Klay Thompson to the Warriors. JR is also shit on defense, has a shit attitude, and is a dirty piece of shit, which I would say all goes negatively against his case.
popsicledeath
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Trying have an opinion that is even remotely balanced or rational and it usually gets pretty boring around here the way people will engage with the same or ignore it. It's only when people are retarded with their hyperbole and homerism that people will call you on your bullshit.
For instance, Lebron has played great this post-season and has playoff experience, and with the pieces they picked up from the Knicks, and the chemistry seeming to be better at times with Love out and that one no-named playing defense and rebounding, that if Kyrie is healthy I think it will be a really tough matchup for the Warriors to win the series. I still think the Warriors win the series, but even if nothing goes in the Cavs favor I still highly doubt a sweep.
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I'm mostly just stubborn about it because of the random Cavs fans that have emerged out of nowhere to proclaim their team has a decent chance in the face of complete statistical evidence that says otherwise.
My serious stance remains the same. This should be a pretty easy series for the Warriors, but LeBron certainly has the ability to hero ball one of the first two away games and then the series gets interesting.
