NBA 2023-24 Season Thread - The Lakers Lose, America Wins

Brahma

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Ok, legit shit here. It's over, and no fun now.

Luka is clearly an issue on defense, we know this. No lateral movement, and can't catch up on defense past the initial move or two. That's fine, that's who he is. Dallas knows this. We all know this.

Two problems. Unfortunately he constantly has to guard Brown, (Who is the MVP IMO of these finals) the most athletic player on the floor. Second does Kidd even teach these guys about weak side defense or even how to switch properly? Dallas is getting killed on high pick and rolls because of those two issues. Or drives on the baseline that should be stopped, but because the weak side is slow to respond, easy kick out buckets because the third man on the defense has to constantly help, leaving someone on the perimeter open. Boston of all the teams in the league, since maybe those GS runs is the best at creating/hitting these shots. Kidd is at fault there IMO.

You guys complaining about the fouls? Luka's game is about contact to give him the space, push the player down in the paint, or setup for that fadeaway, that he never seems to miss. How many times do you see him push off with that free arm to create space. You can't complain about the physicality, when your best player is the most physical person on the floor. He won't and can't get every call. Couple that with the insistent whining after every call whether he commits the foul or he feels he did not get a foul...

You're second best player is too short. Next.

BTW Boston HAS been called for more fouls than the Mavs in this series. Also that Luka foul that he fouled out on? Was his feet set? No? Then it's a foul. If you argue that Brown initiated contact, then you must not like Luka's game. That's exactly what he does.

Dallas's role players are good, minus they can't score. (And seem to be confused on what team defense is). Granted EVERY role player on Dallas is out gunned by Boston's role players, I'll gladly take either of your bigs for Al Horford. You forget he's out there until he hits a three. He clearly can't move well enough at his age to play defense consistently.

So lets see. This is THREE super stars that have played with Luka. What should Dallas do? Is Luka a good enough draw a third star on this current team (that isn't tainted in some way). I'm doubting it. Not because he can't ball, but because can others ball with him? Kyrie IMO is a great fit, but now you need to make up for two big defensive holes. What third star wants to deal with that? Good role player though? How good is the Dallas GM?

Don't thank Milwaukee. Thank Brad Steven's for getting rid of the most over rated point guard in the league. Marcus Smart. No matter what anyone tells me, getting that guy outta town turned this thing around. No more chucking up shots you know you can't hit. No more ball in his hands, knowing he will HOLD it when you have Tatum and Brown.

Jrue Holiday. If getting rid of Smart was the best move? Somehow getting Jrue was the clear second. Milwaukee's saw the age and the slight dip in his game (due to injuries), and thought he was expendable. Bad move. GREAT move! Thanks! Though Boston is now stuck with a tough choice on signing him. I would, knowing that in a couple years he's an anchor. But you're window IS a couple years, so sign him knowing you will be on the short side of his contract come year three?

The ease of the Celtics playoff run? Ya. Can't deny that. The East is weak. You may have had to play a couple more games, but there was no doubt they were getting here. The championship? Nope! We thank Minnesota there for knocking out Denver!

One more game baby! Then Ric Flair makes an appearance! Woooooooooo!
 
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Also helps the Celtics a ton that Luka isn't 100%. He's getting cortisone shots in his knee. It might still happen, but I figured he would have a 60/15/15 game in him. Dude is so ridiculously good that doesn't sound unreasonable
 

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Also helps the Celtics a ton that Luka isn't 100%. He's getting cortisone shots in his knee. It might still happen, but I figured he would have a 60/15/15 game in him. Dude is so ridiculously good that doesn't sound unreasonable

You can see it. Even aside from his defence, he can’t beat anyone on a drive. That’s unlike him.
 

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Boston fans are so used to poor officiating gift wrapping championships for them, they can't even begin to be objective. Fucking sad.
 

Brahma

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Boston fans are so used to poor officiating gift wrapping championships for them, they can't even begin to be objective. Fucking sad.

My last post was as objective as I can be. If you really think officiating is the issue on why Dallas is down 3-0, you aren't looking at the games. Let's just ignore the biggest issue. Dallas can't keep up with Boston's offense because they don't have the guns on both sides of the ball to do so.

That's the funny thing, Luka makes a bad defensive play, and the REFS get it wrong? Bad defenders don't get these calls. Never mind whiny ones.

I'll ask you, was this a blocking foul on Luka?

 
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Kaines

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My last post was as objective as I can be. If you really think officiating is the issue on why Dallas is down 3-0, you aren't looking at the games. Let's just ignore the biggest issue. Dallas can't keep up with Boston's offense because they don't have the guns on both sides of the ball to do so.

That's the funny thing, Luka makes a bad defensive play, and the REFS get it wrong? Bad defenders don't get these calls. Never mind whiny ones.

I'll ask you, was this a blocking foul on Luka?


It was a 50/50 call. And with the unbelievably bad officials of course it went Boston's way.
 

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Game 3 was their chance to get back in it. Luka is the best player in the series by a real margin, but Celts are way too deep.
 
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oof

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Crown em!

Boston Celtics will be your 2024 NBA Champions!

Met Jaylen Brown's aunt the other day. She's like a fairy godmother and I don't think the universe can conspire against someone so wholesome. Celtics are winning in 4
 
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luka also needs to get in better shape, the 4th quarter all series HE HAS SUCKED....he has 8 points in the 4th quarter...TOTAL in 3 games. totally thought mavs were going to come back last night.

tatum has sucked in the 4th quarter too, but Brown is the MVP of the series.
 
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I'd like to see how that is actually quantified, a very convenient stat from the "GeT uP". It also suggests the kid is legitimately hurt.

The blanket narrative that Doncic will never be able to play defense, is lazy at best. In the albeit rare times, he has actually tried, he has shown stretches of average-to-above-average defense both with the eye test and analytically.



That being said, he, along with this team as a whole, has a really on-and-off motor to their game. Along with being out skilled, it was very obvious the Celtics just consistently played with more effort - then out of nowhere the Mavs would actually compete a bit, but to be let down by their lack of "skill" outside the two stars. I'm guessing this is a Kidd thing, but who knows. This is arguably the most Jekyll & Hyde team I've ever been a fan of, maybe aside from the Rangers last season. Is Luka getting hunted? Duh. The Mavs were hunting Tatum a ton with success. Teams always hunt the main offensive player. Does he need to be better defensively? Sure, it would help. That being said, if he has even just 60% of the Celtics supporting cast, he's going to run into a title.

This new narrative with deep Luka hate is a shame, and cringy at the same time: No player in the NBA has done more with less than he has, since LeBron. This kid has carried an organization with a horrendous team-building acumen (until Nico Harrison arrived), and has drastically elevated the role-players around him. What Brian Windhorst said, while he wasn't necessarily wrong, to a degree, is over-the-top. This dude has dominated... This organization would be a bottom-five organization without lucking into him. It's also very obvious he's been pretty injured. For a long stretch, he's had absolutely zero lift on shots, and is having a much harder time getting to the rim.

He needs to stop bitching so much and lose 15-20 lbs - scary that he could be so much better if he just actually tried to implement some kind of nutritional change.

This series isn't about Luka - it's about the Celtics being a much deeper team. It's just not close. The Mavs have made strides and have some really talented young players to look forward to, taking big steps over the next few years in Lively & Maxence-Prosper. That being said, this league changes every single year, dramatically. The likelihood this team sees the Finals again, as currently constructed, has to be tiny. They'll need to land one more big-time player, or two well above-average starter types. They've found the generational player, which is generally the hard part - albeit with minimal trade assets (thanks you fucking loser Donnie Nelson).

Everyone in the league knows the Bucks inadvertently handed the Celtics the "final" piece - assuming they could actually beat Denver (which they avoided). Landing Holiday was such a massive steal. Marcus Smart was moved in the Porzingis trade. The Holiday trade happens separate of that, and the Celtics FO is fortuitous to have had the opportunity.

If Brown doesn't win MVP, that would be really retarded. Tatum has probably been the 4th best player in this series behind Luka, Brown, and Holiday?

To turn to another topic, is the three-point shot going to kill the NBA? I mean, half of these postseason games are no longer competitive now.. Just look at the sheer amount of blowouts nowadays, it's wild. The Celtics have attempted double what the Mavs have in threes - this is no coincidence. What's the solution? Take away the corner 3's (which the Mavs benefit from the most).
 

Alex

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Luka can be hated on while also being recognized as the best player in this series. Both things can be true. It happened to LeBron all the time too.
 

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Luka can be hated on while also being recognized as the best player in this series. Both things can be true. It happened to LeBron all the time too.

A lot of Dallas fans are having trouble coming to terms with this.
 

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Man Tatum defense even worse than Luka’s. Oooooof.


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Brahma

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I swear the NBA told Boston to take it home so they can get the whole "Boston Mystique" thing going. What's that you ask? When they KEEP showing the banners. Pan over Paul Peirce. Roll out Bob Cousy. Probably raise Bill Russell from the dead to somehow hug Tatum.

I hate that shit.

Boston looked like they just wanted out of Dallas.
 

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Boston better win game 5 or they are in trouble!
 
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