NFL 2015-2016 Season Thread

Mario Speedwagon

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Convo don't get so butthurt just because I made fun of pantheon. I don't see how not making a meaningless preseaon prediction for the NFC east makes me a pussy. Personally, I think it's time for Eli to herpa derp his way to an accidental division crown after Romo's back falls apart and Bradford's glass knees shatter and Murray tears something somewhere for overwork last season. Happy?
 

Gavinmad

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I mean it's very unlikely he does as well on the Eagles, and it's true that any competent RB or RB committee will do 'good enough' behind the Cowboys line. But the Cowboys offense is definitely weaker without him, so it's not a wash. When your run game is only good enough, it means the opposing defense doesn't have to focus on your run game so heavily, which means you won't be able to burn them with play-action as easily.
 

Convo

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Convo don't get so butthurt just because I made fun of pantheon. I don't see how not making a meaningless preseaon prediction for the NFC east makes me a pussy. Personally, I think it's time for Eli to herpa derp his way to an accidental division crown after Romo's back falls apart and Bradford's glass knees shatter and Murray tears something somewhere for overwork last season. Happy?
yes, I am. Now take that to the Pantheon thread when the time is right and be sure to tell me that I was right. Thanks:)

P.S. I wasn't butthurt, I just think before you throw stones you should put yourself out there as well.
 

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The Giants are a sleeper lock in that division. Especially since they are the only team with an elite QB!
 

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I mean it's very unlikely he does as well on the Eagles, and it's true that any competent RB or RB committee will do 'good enough' behind the Cowboys line. But the Cowboys offense is definitely weaker without him, so it's not a wash. When your run game is only good enough, it means the opposing defense doesn't have to focus on your run game so heavily, which means you won't be able to burn them with play-action as easily.
It basically comes down to whether or not that extra production can be replicated in some form. It can be through the combination of backs now, or for Romo getting more yards. There was a combination of factors which lead to lower Romo yards as a whole, mostly because he wasn't being asked to bail out the defense over and over again like the previous three years. He also missed a game. I think their overall production, in yards at least, remains within ~100 yards of where they ended up at the end of 2014. The running game will have less yards but Romo will have more. That's why I call it a wash. I think Randle and RunDMC can absolutely hit 2k yards between the two of them, which is probably about as much as Murray/Randle would have had this year if he had stayed in Dallas. All things considered at least.
 

Gavinmad

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So you're saying that Randle and DMC this year will put up comparable yards to Randle and Murray last year? Randle doesn't even have enough carries for an accurate average, DMC has averaged 3.3 for the last 3 seasons, Murray averaged 4.7. And for supposedly being injury prone, Murray has played an average of 13.25 games a season, compared to DMC's average of 11.85.
 

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The Murray loss has been downplayed way too much by Dallas fans. I just don't see them as effective on offense without him. He ate my eagles up last year. I'm not even saying that because we have him. I'd say it regardless of where he went. That loss is going to be felt.
Now who's delusional? He had 73 yards in the first game, and 81 yards in game 2 on 31 rushes (2.6 yd average). That's a funny definition of "eating your team up" considering the Eagles gave up 110 yards rushing per game
 

Convo

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Randle doesn't even seem to be trusted by the coaches. We don't know what kind of workload he can handles because he's never had to handle a big load.
 

Convo

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Now who's delusional? He had 73 yards in the first game, and 81 yards in game 2 on 31 rushes (2.6 yd average). That's a funny definition of "eating your team up" considering the Eagles gave up 110 yards rushing per game
it wasn't the numbers. I remember him making key plays that broke our back that 2nd game. Didn't he have 2 TDs that game?

btw.. just found the possession time of that game. Cowboys held the ball for 41:55 ugh
 

Gavinmad

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Randle doesn't even seem to be trusted by the coaches. We don't know what kind of workload he can handles because he's never had to handle a big load.
What? He's been in the NFL for 2 seasons and was backup to one of the best RBs in the league for both of them. How much of a workload did you expect him to be given? I mean as I said it's too small of a sample pool, but he did average 6.7 yards per carry last year. Even if you take out his longest run for distorting the average, he's still at 5.6 ypc.
 

moontayle

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Murray + Randle was 2188. I think Randle + DMC gets about 1900. Whoever ends up being the lead back will probably get ~1200 with the other getting ~700. I like to think these are reasonable expectations.
 

Convo

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What? He's been in the NFL for 2 seasons and was backup to one of the best RBs in the league for both of them. How much of a workload did you expect him to be given? I mean as I said it's too small of a sample pool, but he did average 6.7 yards per carry last year. Even if you take out his longest run for distorting the average, he's still at 5.6 ypc.
That's not my point or maybe it is!? I feel like you're trolling with this but he's a wait and see player. Being a backup does not equate to being a starter and it's too early to say how he will hold up with a heavier work load. pretty straight forward stuff.
 

Gavinmad

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That's not my point or maybe it is!? I feel like you're trolling with this but he's a wait and see player. Being a backup does not equate to being a starter and it's too early to say how he will hold up with a heavier work load. pretty straight forward stuff.
When you say he hasn't been given a heavy work load immediately after saying you don't think the coaches trust him, it pretty directly implies you think the lack of trust is the reason he hasn't been given a heavier work load. I'm not trolling, you just need to English better.
 

Convo

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He's in a Running back by committee. I didn't know I had to spell that out for you. If they trusted him he wouldn't be in that situation.
 

Gavinmad

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Yes, you're very clearly repeating what you meant to say originally, but what you meant is not what you actually said. I didn't know I had to spell that out for you.
 

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He's in a Running back by committee. I didn't know I had to spell that out for you. If they trusted him he wouldn't be in that situation.
Wtf does using multiple running backs have to do with trust? It's what you do when you either have backs who have different strengths and there's no clear favorite. It's also something Dallas's OC loves to do regardless of who the RBs are
 

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Or it's because RBBC is what almost everyone does now. Having a single back that you're relying on for most of your yardage doesn't really happen often anymore.
 

Convo

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Or it's because RBBC is what almost everyone does now. Having a single back that you're relying on for most of your yardage doesn't really happen often anymore.
They had a clear back last year. It worked for them just fine. I think them not having a clear back is an indication of confidence in their backs and their ability to take over the lions share of the carries.
 

Gavinmad

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Yeah not expecting Randle to be as good as the guy who led the league in carries, yards, first downs, tied for lead in touchdowns, and #2 in 20+ carries with nobody else close is definitely a lack of confidence in Randle.
 

Convo

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Wtf does using multiple running backs have to do with trust? It's what you do when you either have backs who have different strengths and there's no clear favorite. It's also something Dallas's OC loves to do regardless of who the RBs are
You didn't change systems. You lost a player that carried the load and you have no body on the roster that can step in and take on that load, so they went RBBC out of need.