NFL 2020 Season: Gravy Edition!

I doubt they'll pay big for some free agent WR. Hopefully they can find a good one in the draft and help shore up the line. They have houston's 1st and 2nd so they have plenty of quality high picks.

What if the Dolphins pull a Cardinals and draft another QB..

Animosity said:

What if the Dolphins pull a Cardinals and draft another QB..

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Very doubtful. Rosen was a broken mess.

Sterling said:

Very doubtful. Rosen was a broken mess.

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But Tua hasnt show much either and has been pulled multiple times. Could be interesting this draft!

Animosity said:

But Tua hasnt show much either and has been pulled multiple times. Could be interesting this draft!

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can't tell if you're trolling or just don't watch the games. Tua and Rosen's rookie years are nothing alike.

Im not trolling, its a serious question. And its already being asked according to some NFL people.

Stop getting so butthurt over discussions.

Sterling said:

Very doubtful. Rosen was a broken mess.

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In fairness to Rosen? That cards team and coaching staff was a shit show. They did him no favors.

Animosity said:

Im not trolling, its a serious question. And its already being asked according to some NFL people.

Stop getting so butthurt over discussions.

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I don't think I've seen a single person seriously talk about them drafting another QB. The first time I've seen anything about it is literally your post and I watch a decent amount of coverage. Was it someone like Skip because I think most people have moved past him being remotely credible? I'm not butthurt, I just feel like you're giving a very strange hot take and making a comparison that doesn't really make any sense.

Miami has the Texans pick in the first round. They could easily draft the best left tackle or trade it for a bunch of picks. It’s a good position to be in. Tua’s offensive line and receivers should be greatly improved next season.

Hosix said:

Miami has the Texans pick in the first round. They could easily draft the best left tackle or trade it for a bunch of picks. It’s a good position to be in. Tua’s offensive line and receivers should be greatly improved next season.

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They also have Houston's 2

Animosity said:

But Tua hasnt show much either and has been pulled multiple times. Could be interesting this draft!

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I gotta disagree with this as well mate. Tua looks like a solid first year QB with the team he has. I think he is right on schedule and his maturity in dealing with the Fitzmagic stuff there shows me he has the head for it. I think he is on track to be a good to great starter barring injury. He has shown enough to at least me that I am convinced. I don't doubt there are some doubters out there but most of what I have read has said he has the goods.

zzeris said:

Gaskins is a great 3rd down option. Parker is injury prone. Gesicki is really awesome. He has good tools and needs to learn how to use them better but, with our plethora of picks, why not make his learning process easier? We should be getting one of the top 4 WRs in this draft and a guy like Harris or even Etienne. I'd really like Kadarius Toney if he goes late enough.

I look at Josh Allen as the example teams should use. Guy was a terrible QB his first year and improved his second year but his third...WOW!!!! What did he get for his 3rd year QB birthday? STEPHON DIGGS. That's a primary reason he's elevated to the stratosphere this year. Look at what helped Dalton, Ryan, Watson, Brady, Rapist, Murray, etc. A top flight WR and another really, really good one. I want those kinds of tools for Tua if possible.

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Diggs is great to have, but frankly Allen has become a monster all on his own, and Diggs is benefitting as much or more than Allen is from him. I think Gaskins looks good enough to not worry about upgrading at RB, personally. Not sure how this WR class stacks up compared to these last 2, but wouldn't hurt to grab a good one if possible. I'm just not convinced Tua has that other level in him, yet. Allen wasn't "terrible" per se his first year, just inaccurate. But he also was throwing deeper than most guys which naturally made his completion % lower than it would be. I agree he's taken a massive step forward this year, though. Frankly I'd have him 3rd in MVP race behind Rodgers and Mahomes.

zzeris said:

Ok. Let's have a serious discussion then without the 'according to some NFL people', according to media talking heads, I was once an NFL backup stuff, etc.

Tua has been slow to adjust but there's very good reasons. Here's some perspective.





Miami has been bad for decades so most people don't really know their team. It's amazing we went from what 'some NFL people' thought was the worst roster of 2019 to possible playoffs in less than two years.

Miami has the 3rd youngest NFL roster. For WRs, Parker and Williams have been injured a lot in their careers and Grant has stone hands. Gesecki is awesome and that leaves...not a lot left to talk about. Our guys are young, don't run good routes or are injured a lot. Fitz, as a 15 year, 7 team gunslinger vet, knows how to work around shitty situations. Tua, who went to elite Bama, does not. He's having to learn the NFL... while not having a lot of elite tools to work with... while having zero offseason... while only starting 24 college games. He's going to be a project but he's already shown good things.

Once again, I already mentioned Josh Allen for a reason. Tua will need time.

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I don't like how this only puts the "blame" for so many throws into tight coverage on lack of weapons/scheme. Some of that is just those guys having experience to go through reads and find guys. I know they use Fitz being on the same team as Tua to try and make it seem obvious it's a Miami thing...but Fitz has ALWAYS been a gunslinger type to try to force passes, so the fact he has a lot into tight coverage doesn't automatically make me think it's a personnel/scheme thing only.

Also, Fitz seems to really trust guys like Parker and Gesicki to win 1 on 1 coverage, and they have the skills to do so. It's just a vast gulf in how that offense looks the second they put Fitz in and Tua comes out right now that has be skeptical. This isn't to say they wouldn't benefit from more weapons, any QB would...just that Fitz comes in and the same guys are producing a lot more efficiently.

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Ok, let's say you're right. So...it took his 3rd year to become an accurate passer which is the primary job of a QB today. And he was terrible. 52% completion rate, 10 TDs 12 ints. for 2 k yards. Just for reference, Jamarcus 'Purple Drank' Russell was 52% comp rate 18 TDs and 23 ints in his short career. If that's good, there's not been a bad QB in the NFL the past 2 decades. C'mon now! Diggs has benefitted from a lot more passes to him but his TDs are about the same and he's actually improved his catch rate. The main benefit to him is more targets. Allen though?! With one game to go he has 1200 more yards, 14 more TDs, 10% better comp %, 1+ yards per pass increase, etc. Talk about not giving people credit!!! He INSTANTLY improves his 2nd year comp% by 10% but Allen did all this?!! Lol, reminds me of the meme of I built this. Brady having Moss didn't help much with the 18-1 year, he just did it all by himself! Goff didn't get to the Superbowl because he had a ton of talent around him, he is the reason all those guys got there! See how ridiculous that sounds?

On to your other post. Show me the WR or TE in Miami that has been wide open this year. Spot me the guy giving wide open looks. You won't find one if you want to 'blame' the catchers or the throwers. It's just the fact of the matter. We need an Edelman type at Miami. Gaskin is little and we have nothing behind him. He's been injured or out with Covid for 6 games. We need another back. Fitz is a 15 year gunslinger vet. Of course he knows how to use guys better than a rookie with little exp in the game. Fitz would have gotten the Rams to the playoffs by now. He's better in small doses than about half the NFL starters today. I counted about 13 teams that would be no worse if Fitz was their QB and probably would have been better this year.

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With the Allen stuff, we just have to watch how he is throwing the ball to EVERYONE on his team, not just Diggs, to see the massive improvement he has made overall...it's not just Diggs. Check the numbers.

The 52% completion % is not good, although I did note that like Cam, Allen is a guy who does like to push the ball down the field a lot. Also the 10 TD and 2k yards were only on 320 attempts his rookie year, as he only played in 12 games. They weren't exactly a pass first team then, that is only about 26 attempts per game, while he added over 600 yards rushing and 8 rushing TD's in only 12 games. The biggest thing to me is the progression. It hasn't been only a jump from 2019 to 2020.

2018: 12 games, 11 starts, 320 attempts, 2074 yards, 10 TD, 12 Int
2019: 16 games, 16 starts, 461 attempts, 3089 yards, 20 TD, 9 Int

Note they didn't have Diggs last year, and yet he took a fairly massive step forward in all areas just Year 1 to Year 2. His Completion % went from 52.8 to 58.8 in 2019 as well. This isn't to say Diggs doesn't help, obviously he does, but my point is that Allen has been improving so much on his own, frankly Diggs may be having a career year as much or more because of Allen as Allen is because of Diggs.

For the Fitz discussion, there's a big difference between him as a 15 year vet just "making the team better", and putting up some of the numbers he was putting up with those same current tools you have. Maybe I'm looking at it more from a fantasy prospective, but the tools can't be that bad if he's out there throwing up three 300+ yards games in the first 6 weeks, with multi TD games to go with it. It's one thing to be a little more efficient, it's another to be like a Top 7 fantasy QB over his last 10-15 starts with the exact same tools. Maybe I'm wrong and Tua shows the same kind of jump next year or two we've seen from Allen and some other guys

zzeris said:

With the Tua stuff, the 10 TD and 1453 yards were only on 232 attempts his rookie year, as he's only played in 9 games. They weren't exactly a pass first team then, that is only about 26 attempts a game. See what I'm getting at just a teeny bit? Especially since tua has TEN less interceptions?



Parker was available for the first 6 games but hasn't played in weeks. He's the leading WR with a whopping 56 catches for 677 yards! WOW!! Preston Williams went out Nov 8th against the Cards. Grant went down in the Raiders game. That left Lynn Bowden, Isaiah Ford, Mack Hollins, and Malcolm Perry as the Dolphins remaining receivers. Do you recognize those dudes? Does anyone that doesn't like Miami recognize those dudes? Would anyone in a Miami super-market recognize those dudes? That's Tua's tools. Fitz had more tools before injuries.

Fitz has 2091 yards, 13 TDs, 8 ints in 7 starts and some additional time. A year's worth of those stats are 4460 yards, 28 TDs and 17 ints. If this is a top 7 fantasy QB in your league, I WANT IN! You may not be wrong but it's too early. Let's give Tua at least the same respect and timeframe as Josh Allen before we think he's a bust.

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The Tua first year comparison would be relevant to Allen if he maybe also had those 600+ rushing yards and 8 rushing TD's adding to his production. He does have 3 TD's at least on the ground, to go with a whopping 81 yards rushing. It's not exactly apples to apples.

It is true Parker has been out the last couple weeks, it's pretty telling though that his production has been pretty lukewarm since earlier in the season save for Week 12 when Fitz started and he put up a 100+ yard day. It's just crazy watching Tua put up under 100 yards passing in 3+ quarters this past week while Fitz comes in with under 10 minutes to go and finishes with 182 through the air. Night and day.

Don't know what to tell you about the fantasy numbers, but over the last half of the season last year and the first 6 weeks this year, Fitz was a beast in fantasy. I think Miami is 100% already in the playoffs had they left him in all year.