NFL 2020 Season: Gravy Edition!
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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Merrith
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This is true in a vacuum. When you do it over 20 years and multiple iterations of teammates even on the same team, then hop conferences and go to the Super Bowl again your first year in the NFC...you start to wonder if he was just the biggest part of the reason his teams went so much.
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Fadaar
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It just makes me sad that the Bucs were literally a QB away from a championship appearance. Who knows how many more deep postseason runs could have been had since Evans got drafted 7 yrs ago. Though TBH prior to last year the defenses would have been a liability.
Phazael
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Speaking as a Packer Fan, the teams I root for when I am not rooting for the Packers are the Browns (who amazingly do not suck now) and the Broncos (who alas have sucked since Manning hung it up).
Phazael
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Montana is the only guy who I would put up in the same conversation with Brady as a potential GOAT. The guy saw the field in ways that made Rodgers look simple in comparison. But he also had arguably the best WR ever to play the game for most of his career.
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Kaines
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This is not the NBA where a superstar can drag a shit team to the finals (LeBron in Cleveland). Brady has been on excellent teams his entire career. If it were JUST him, then he should have made over 20 Super Bowl appearances instead of 11.
jooka
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eh, what else is he supposed to say? I did hear a funny quote from him, something like "This is DeShaun's team <blah blah blah>" If it was his team he and Easterby wouldn't have a fucking job with the Texans.
Merrith
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No, it wouldn't be 20. Even the greats have down games, and the NBA example is different in the sense that they play best of 7's where better team is more likely to win than single elimination where crazy shit can just fuck your entire season. He also did play against other good/great teams which means you won't win every single time. Also I don't know if I'd say those Cleveland teams with Lebron were complete shit, even if he clearly elevated them a great deal. He just couldn't get it done in the Finals and had to build superteams.
Also it can both be true that he played on very good/great teams AND he himself was a large part or the largest part of the team getting to that level. I'm the guy who was pointing out Tampa was probably a 10 win team last year with decent kicking even with Winston throwing 30 picks...but that doesn't meant they would have been able to do shit in the playoffs win Winston.
Kaines
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Him being “The biggest factor” assumes no other QB could have gotten those teams to a Super Bowl. Which is just patently absurd. Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees, etc would have gotten many of those teams to the same level. Not all but most.
DickTrickle
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But you can say that about putting those same guys on Montana's 49ers or Aikman's Cowboys. What ifs can only go so far, ultimately.
Kaines
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Exactly. Which is why Super Bowl appearances is a bullshit metric when comparing individual careers
Merrith
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The problem I have with what this says is "could have gotten these teams to a Super Bowl". "A" Super Bowl? Sure. 10 in 21 seasons? That's a tougher sell for me. I guarantee if Rodgers was in Brady's spot all these years he'd have more than 1 ring. I don't know if he'd have 6 with a shot at #7 in a week and a half.
Kaines
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He wouldn’t need to to be considered the GOAT. 4 out of 7 would have gotten him there.
DickTrickle
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I think you also have to factor in, would all of those players taken the lower pay that Brady did? That was a huge thing for a number of years and directly impacted the team to a positive degree.
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Merrith
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4 out of 7 would have gotten who to where? Rodgers to Goat status? I don't think that would put anyone else to Goat status when Montana went 4 for 4. It's the fact Brady has won 6, and been to 10 now that really put him over. That and 2 of his losses he handed his D a lead with under 5 minutes to go.
Kaines
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Prisoner of the moment talking heads would have absolutely labeled Rodgers the GOAT if he went 4 for 7. If you think otherwise you don’t watch/ listen to enough sports talk shows.
Merrith
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I'm sure some would have, but it would still be an argument then, just like it was when Brady won his 4th against Seattle but had lost 2 to Eli and the Seattle one came after what most everyone thinks was a super terrible decision to not hand the ball off to Lynch for the easy TD.
With 6 rings and going to his 10th? It's not an argument anymore.
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Kaines
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But not because of the Super Bowl appearances. Brady had just put up better individual numbers over his career
Merrith
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When compared to Montana? The debate then was Montana was a perfect 4-0 in SB's, Brady won his first 3 but then lost 2 in a row to Eli fucking Manning, botching the perfect season with vintage Moss on his team in the process. Then his 4th ring was more "Seattle choked" rather than he won.
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