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Gavinmad · Jan 31, 2021

Chanur said:
He has been top 10 in passing a number of times. Top 5 several times as well.

#3 in 2011, #2 in 2012, #3 in 2013, #9 in 2014, #8 in 2015, #9 in 2016, #3 in 2017, #16 in 2018, injured in 2019, #12 in 2020.

I mean there's more to a QB than just passing yardage, but it does seem like people are passing him over just because he isn't good enough to carry a terrible franchise on his back.

Chanur · Jan 31, 2021

Gavinmad said:
#3 in 2011, #2 in 2012, #3 in 2013, #9 in 2014, #8 in 2015, #9 in 2016, #3 in 2017, #16 in 2018, injured in 2019, #12 in 2020.

I mean there's more to a QB than just passing yardage, but it does seem like people are passing him over just because he isn't good enough to carry a terrible franchise on his back.

I am not trying to say he is Tom Brady or Joe Montana but I think he is a huge upgrade over Goff.

Ambiturner · Jan 31, 2021

Read a pretty convincing article not too long ago that made a strong case that 1st round picks are overrated and 3rd round picks are actually the most valuable.

Jozu · Jan 31, 2021

Well, the greatest player of all time went in the 6th round.

The new greatest player of all time drafted 10th overall. its a toss up based on risk.

Ambiturner · Jan 31, 2021

Has more to do with the salary cap and rookie contracts being pre-determined. The 3rd round is where players are most likely to outplay their contract

Sterling · Jan 31, 2021

1st round isn't as bad as it used to be since the salaries are slotted now. Used to have to eat some pretty bad contracts if your first round guy is garbage. 3rd round might be the best value per dollar, but the 1st round is still where most of the best players come from.

Kirun · Jan 31, 2021

BrutulTM said:
The way they're going when Mcvay gets fired some poor bastard is going to get a team of super expensive senior citizens and no draft picks for 5 years.

Ambiturner · Jan 31, 2021

Sterling said:
1st round isn't as bad as it used to be since the salaries are slotted now. Used to have to eat some pretty bad contracts if your first round guy is garbage. 3rd round might be the best value per dollar, but the 1st round is still where most of the best players come from.

Yeah it's definitely not that the best players come from the 3rd round, but them being only 1/10th the cap hit is a pretty big deal.

Zajeer · Jan 31, 2021

I wonder if Watson is going to be un-tradeable now because of how expensive it will be to get him. I can see asking for like 3 1sts and more picks / players, but what GM is willing to bet the entire teams future on 1 guy, regardless of how good he is. I wouldn’t be surprised if Watson doesn’t get moved because the Texans asked too high of a price and no one is willing to pay that much

Sterling · Jan 31, 2021

Zajeer said:
I wonder if Watson is going to be un-tradeable now because of how expensive it will be to get him. I can see asking for like 3 1sts and more picks / players, but what GM is willing to bet the entire teams future on 1 guy, regardless of how good he is. I wouldn’t be surprised if Watson doesn’t get moved because the Texans asked too high of a price and no one is willing to pay that much

Someone will do it, only takes one team and there's been plenty of terrible trades over the years and this time they'll be trading for someone proven to be a great young player.

zzeris · Jan 31, 2021

Good points on Stafford guys. He did take one of the worst franchises in sports to the playoffs three times so I definitely shit on him a bit too hard. He is a huge upgrade from Goff and I should have mentioned that before.

I don't think Goff adds much value in that trade outside of ability to make it through a NFL game with some stats. Borderline starter on a bottom feeder team. Similar to Flacco in that he's regressed but a better passer and the Rams corrected their situation faster than the Ravens. He won't ever get the Lions to the playoffs without elite talent to carry him. Good luck on that.

I've read a team needs around 5? blue chips to be a serious contender so that leaves a lot of 3rd round and lower guys to get the team there. Definitely not a scientific measure lol but most of these thoughts are common sense. The best drafting teams have a massive asset advantage.

Kaines · Jan 31, 2021

Gavinmad said:
Well after thinking about it, maybe that is just what a proven QB is worth in todays NFL. Sure he's no worldbeater, but he's played pretty consistently well for years on a team that has always sucked. I don't expect him to come out setting records next year, but if the rest of the keep can keep from regressing in the offseason they'll be in an excellent position for a year or two.

It will never happen because he drove McCarthy out of GB, but I'd laugh my ass off if the Cowboys packaged Dak and a couple #1's to get Rodgers.

Zajeer · Jan 31, 2021

Honestly I think what would be hilarious if the Lions flip the firsts they got, Goff, and like 1 more first and get Watson instead. Goff becomes a Texan for a hot minute before they cut him

Tarrant · Jan 31, 2021

Zajeer said:
Honestly I think what would be hilarious if the Lions flip the firsts they got, Goff, and like 1 more first and get Watson instead. Goff becomes a Texan for a hot minute before they cut him

trade Goff, their two first rounders they just got and then one of their own, maybe a second.

Fadaar · Jan 31, 2021

Depending on what happens with Rodgers in the near future the Lions might finally win a division title with all those picks.

Genjiro · Jan 31, 2021

Rams fans emotions over the past 2 weeks

Jozu · Jan 31, 2021

What the fuck happened to Goff? He was a Pro Bowler in 2017 and 2018. Super Bowl Appearence in 18'.

He signed a 100 million Dollar contract in 2019! He must have really soured that franchise for them to move on from him.

Brahma · Jan 31, 2021

Zajeer said:
I wonder if Watson is going to be un-tradeable now because of how expensive it will be to get him. I can see asking for like 3 1sts and more picks / players, but what GM is willing to bet the entire teams future on 1 guy, regardless of how good he is. I wouldn’t be surprised if Watson doesn’t get moved because the Texans asked too high of a price and no one is willing to pay that much

You pretty much have to have some balls AND be good at judging mid round talent. (Late round is really a guessing game) Like Ozzie Newsome good.

Also you need to actually have a lot of mid/late picks just to play the odds on hits and misses. I would say the Patriots have the latter as far as being able to survive a few 1st round picks being given up, but their GM is the worst at making picks.

OR just dumb, and say fuckit! Like the Jets.

jooka · Jan 31, 2021

Pats GM woes should be over, jesus the receipt for pawning off Easterby to McNair has to be framed in a gold somewhere in new england.

EDIT I still don't expect the lions to keep goff for some reason but not go after watson either

Merrith · Jan 31, 2021

Agree Stafford has potential to be good upgrade over Goff. Funny we had that Eli/Rivers/Big Ben/Ryan/Stafford discussion about who might get into the HoF...and now Stafford has a team that in theory, he can maybe get to a Super Bowl with in the next year or two.

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