Nintendo Switch (previously NX)

I pref older visuals where fidelity and ultra detail was not a thing, so “things” had to be generally recognizable - hence a difference between “EQ” and “M&M” visuals and modern games.

Crisco said:

People that will buy this are the people who buy nintendo games. People like the party games, new mario whatever, the next zelda/metroid/insert Nintendo IP here. More often than not these IP's new games will generally be good. Maybe you outgrown them or tastes changed but the sales numbers say people like them.

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I am a major Metroid fan, even with Beyond coming sometime, I will gladly wait for a emulator and play it that way.

Fuck Nintendo.

Was just at the Nintendo store in Tokyo. It was filled with Japanese children and Western adults. I think Nintendo has a good idea who their audience is and can potentially get away with this pricing.

CaughtCross said:

Was just at the Nintendo store in Tokyo. It was filled with Japanese children and Western adults. I think Nintendo has a good idea who their audience is and can potentially get away with this pricing.

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Nintendo really only cares about Japan… and it will sell gangbusters there. The camera and gimmicks of Nintendo things are usually a fad wave in Japan but are “ehh okay” in America.

Nintendo of America cares about America but generally only can pull the real company along so much and sits here and makes cringe commercials.

Nintendo makes money ez and they are happy with their market and position… while the others are not and are tentacled into so many other things that everything has to be a blockbuster or its trash.

Honestly the biggest problem I got with this game pricing is how it feels like I have largely outgrown Nintendo games over the years. Like don't get me wrong, I can still enjoy their games and I think they have an occasional game like Mario Odyssey that is truly special, but overall they just aren't go-to games for me anymore. What I mean by that is how throughout the entire Switch gen their games they have felt more like curiosities to me, something that I got to check out but they are never really a long term interest for me. I always seemed to play them for a while, thought "that was nice," then go back to the type of games I usually have an interest in these days.

Now I could easily justify this because I thought of the Switch as initially a great performing and practical handheld, and later just a nice lightweight handheld for travel. That and the relatively low price tag meant I didn't mind buying a revision when it came out, making it feel like no real loss to me when an improved version of their handheld came out. However with the pricing now, I just don't see myself willing to spend $450 on one of these more than once, heck that was a problem for me with the Steam Deck when they released the OLED model, I just couldn't justify what they're asking for what is essentially the same hardware only with a slightly better screen and battery.

So now it's like on a hardware standpoint, I wonder if it's even worth it to buy one initially, especially with all the games for it likely selling at full price for a while, when I could just wait for a revision and get it at a time when there's far more games and sales to buy them at a discount. That and as I mentioned with their games, they just aren't the type of thing I really need anymore. To me they usually just look cool but I get bored with them or they simply aren't the type of game I am really into anymore. It's a total unnecessary and luxury type of expense in other words, and with the price going up I just really ask if it's worth it anymore.

I also think it's worth mentioning how even from a hardware standpoint it feels like the Switch really lost it's niche with this new one. Back when the Switch first released there was hardly anything like it, and nothing that really had the kind of support it had. Thing is the handheld gaming market has changed significantly since then and the Steam Deck along with various PC gaming handhelds has had a dramatic effect on what I look for when it comes to something more sophisticated. I already got a Steam Deck and to be honest it really suits all my desires when it comes to high-end handheld gaming. I can play new AAA games if I like, all the classics play with enhanced graphics and great performance, and it's all connected to Steam where I can buy and download all my games for what is usually far better prices than what they charge on consoles.

So this really makes the Switch 2 feel even more unnecessary and even more like a luxury item for me, something that I really don't need with plenty of similar offerings out there for the type of niche and experience it has to offer. At $450 it's like I am now cross shopping with some serious similar hardware or simply asking myself why buy this when I already got a Steam Deck.

I am in the minority and that is fine... but I do not enjoy the platforming of 3D mario, the exactness it takes and the controls of "slippery Mario" (imo) is not enjoyable... Odyssey was better but I also think they made the main route and story "easy" and the rings of "completion" outward afterward a decent slope upward in difficulty.

Zelda BOTW was excellent - TOTK was eh... I really did not like the sky or depths and the story was so nintendo-cant-just-make-a-direct-sequle it was frustrating. Nintendo you cannot just say "BACK A THOUSAND YEARS X!" as your excuse for "threat"... they even did that in stupid Skyward sword and skyward swords entire "Point" of its setting was to be THE FIRST / OLDEST / ORIGIN story, and you STILL HAD "Oh in the wayback!" and ancient ruins and crap... arrghhhh

3D Mario games are so good and outside of Zelda games were always a primary driver for me to pick up Nintendo systems. Galaxy 1/2, Odyssey, M64 are such standouts for the genre. Mario Sunshine was the only one I think was mid.

Also agree that their story writing for Zelda games is absolute dogwater. I loved ToTK though as it had just enough added from BoTW to keep me interested and the building novelty lasted quite a while when making various janky shit.

Siliconemelons said:

Zelda BOTW was excellent - TOTK was eh... I really did not like the sky or depths and the story was so nintendo-cant-just-make-a-direct-sequle it was frustrating. Nintendo you cannot just say "BACK A THOUSAND YEARS X!" as your excuse for "threat"... they even did that in stupid Skyward sword and skyward swords entire "Point" of its setting was to be THE FIRST / OLDEST / ORIGIN story, and you STILL HAD "Oh in the wayback!" and ancient ruins and crap... arrghhhh

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I believe this will be the case as long as Shigeru Myamoto is the gatekeeper for Zelda. It's his brainchild and his inspiration was based on his own childhood where he got lost in the woods once and was really scared, so his concept for Zelda is basically "it's just an adventure, go explore and find your path" but as the franchise grew the audience requires more and more lore and worldbuilding and I think he honestly doesn't really care much about that. In the dev videos of the past, he never really mentions much about the story or revelations of lore, he is more excited about how you can climb mountains or explore the sky or the depths and how you can go anywhere you want (he was extremely impressed by Skyrim and that's the main reason BOTW and TOTK are so different because that's basically his version of Skyrim in Hyrule). Of course over the decades his teams have managed to include more story in the Zelda games, but by comparison with a lot of other big name franchises, the story remains very simple and basic most of the time, except maybe A Link to the Past and Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask which felt really fleshed out, the rest has been :

What if Zelda but you're in a dream world?
What if Zelda but everything is under water?
What if Zelda but you can become flat on the walls or floors?
What if Zelda but you have a talking sword?
What if Zelda but you're super tiny?
What if Zelda but you're a wolf?
What if Zelda but you go everywhere by train?
What if Zelda but you play as the princess and can create objects with a magic rod?

And to be fair, it works. Those games sell like hot cakes and most of them are super fun to play.

PS : if you're a fan of BOTW story, play Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity, really fleshes out what happened between the emergence of the Calamity and the time Link had to be put in stasis for 100 years, but with some twists and turns that I thought really brought interesting stuff to the story of the franchise.

Rajaah said:

The specs seem good, at least. 1080/120 is probably the right move over pursuing higher resolutions. But then it also claims to have 4K/60 which I find hard to believe. Even PS5, which is more powerful than this, has issues getting to that level. Most games in resolution mode on PS5 are like 4K/40, think framerate modes are more like 1440/60? With the rare 1440/120 game like Nioh Remastered.

In other words, if they said 1440/60 and 4K/30, that would be believable, and even then I'd question it since it'd be on the same level as PS5. This sounds like it's ahead of PS5 which it isn't. Unless it doesn't have any Ray Tracing or something. I don't really know tech stuff.

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It's close to the power of a base model PS4 with storage that's as fast as Series S|X. You're not going to see 1080p120 on anything that isn't pixel graphics, and the real reason for supporting 120Hz refresh rate is so that it can be used as a container for 40 fps rendering along with VRR to smooth things out (unless Nintendo is retarded like Sony and uses a VRR range that only goes down to 48Hz). Combined with support for DLSS, it will make games look decent but that's about it. 4K60, same thing. The only way the system is hitting that is if the game looks like Balatro or they're using DLSS in performance (1080p internal resolution) or ultra performance (720p IR) mode.

Runnen said:

I believe this will be the case as long as Shigeru Myamoto is the gatekeeper for Zelda. It's his brainchild and his inspiration was based on his own childhood where he got lost in the woods once and was really scared, so his concept for Zelda is basically "it's just an adventure, go explore and find your path" but as the franchise grew the audience requires more and more lore and worldbuilding and I think he honestly doesn't really care much about that. In the dev videos of the past, he never really mentions much about the story or revelations of lore, he is more excited about how you can climb mountains or explore the sky or the depths and how you can go anywhere you want (he was extremely impressed by Skyrim and that's the main reason BOTW and TOTK are so different because that's basically his version of Skyrim in Hyrule). Of course over the decades his teams have managed to include more story in the Zelda games, but by comparison with a lot of other big name franchises, the story remains very simple and basic most of the time, except maybe A Link to the Past and Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask which felt really fleshed out, the rest has been :

What if Zelda but you're in a dream world?
What if Zelda but everything is under water?
What if Zelda but you can become flat on the walls or floors?
What if Zelda but you have a talking sword?
What if Zelda but you're super tiny?
What if Zelda but you're a wolf?
What if Zelda but you go everywhere by train?
What if Zelda but you play as the princess and can create objects with a magic rod?

And to be fair, it works. Those games sell like hot cakes and most of them are super fun to play.

PS : if you're a fan of BOTW story, play Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity, really fleshes out what happened between the emergence of the Calamity and the time Link had to be put in stasis for 100 years, but with some twists and turns that I thought really brought interesting stuff to the story of the franchise.

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I played the age of calamity demo- but once the time traveling robot popped up, I did not care about the plot as I figured it was just a device to "have a plot" but also "not have a plot that...counts/matters/is in line with main game/etc." My kids liked it because it was easy(er) dynasty warriors and blowing up 29001239849023 goblins is fun.

The most just stupid thing about BOTW -> TOTK is with the BOTW expansion they set up the sequle.... in TOTK its just "lulz, rebuild with piles of junk the gay dudes left behind and here is one random memorial on the side of some mountain off some random path. everything is just GONE from the last game, haha"

Not sure how accurate this is, but the battery life is something I don’t see discussed at all and it’s the most concerning for handheld users. For $500 I’d expect a much better battery. I imagine the microphone/camera/HDR is responsible but still…

Chanur said:

450 and LCD is a deal breaker imo.

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Wait so the current upgraded Switch has an OLED but the new Switch 2 will go back to LCD?

Skinner said:

Not sure how accurate this is

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The video output row for Switch is semi-realistic except that very few games actually did 60 fps either handheld or docked. For Switch 2 it's complete nonsense on par with Sony talking about the PS5 being 'ready for 8K TVs'.

Battery life row is a bit misleading as well. The OG Switch had a very similar battery life to what the Switch 2 will have at launch. I distinctly remember getting 3 hours if I was lucky in games like BotW and having to carry around a 10000mAh power bank to be able to use the thing for a reasonable amount of time. It wasn't until the refresh model and then later the OLED Switch that battery life became 4.5-9 hours. The Switch 2 already has a similar upgrade in battery capacity but it's also a much more powerful system. By the time there's an OLED Switch 2, battery tech will probably have reached the point where getting back to 4.5-9 or so is possible. Until then, well... power banks are a lot smaller than they were in 2017, even 20k mAh/65w ones are fairly cheap, and they support fast charge 2.0 instead of taking 8-12 hours when drained, so at least there's that I guess?

TheNozz said:

Wait so the current upgraded Switch has an OLED but the new Switch 2 will go back to LCD?

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This is one of the reasons why I feel like I might as well wait for a revision. Yeah the new LCD is 120hz but I have a hard time seeing many games really taking advantage of that.

Chanur said:

Yes .

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Tasty The Treat said:

This is one of the reasons why I feel like I might as well wait for a revision. Yeah the new LCD is 120hz but I have a hard time seeing many games really taking advantage of that.

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Yeah given the track record of the first Switch, why in the ever loving fuck would I buy the Switch 2 at release when I can wait for the Inevitably upgraded screen version?