[NO Spoilers] Star Wars: Episode 7 - NO PUSSY SHIT

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FYI, if anyone gets a chance to download the new documentary I linked earlier called Deleted Magic, it was really good if you want to see the inner workings of those first 3 films.

I had no idea that Star Wars had 5 editors working on it. The original editor they had worked with Lucas's wife, and the cut was so bad they decided to re cut the film.
 
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OMG NOOO! Camera spinning with the Falcon!!?! RAGE!!!

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Lol.

I don't give a hoot what you jaded, negative bastards think, I am excited and will be there to watch it @ launch. The hipsters and their "you are what is causing the movie industry to turn out shit after shit" can drown in their tears :p
 
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You mean like screen wipes?? the most over used film transition until the last 30 years when Flilmakers were like this is retarded as all hell.

If anything over used gimmicky shots, and transitions are a staple of Star Wars..
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Look, if screen wipes are your pet peeve, I'm not going to try to tell you that they should give you a boner. That's just retarded. Why are you trying to drag this conversation down to that level?

That's also not even close to what I was talking about when I said "the spinning is nothing but a cheezy gimmick to make that scene appear to be more exciting and action packed than it actually is." There are things that directors can do in post production to make a "meh" scene look more exciting. Making it look like the cameraman is having a seizure is one of those things, and I think the Millennium Falcon scene would look a lot better without that effect.
 
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Screen wipe transitions are just as cheesy, and are a gimmick when over used. It's pretty much the laziest way you can connect two scenes in film making.

If your basis of your argument is that the original Star Wars would never stoop as low as to use over-used gimmicks while storytelling, then I've presented you with Exhibit A.

Everything in film is used to draw a certain reaction from an audience.
 
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What the fuck? What emotional effect do directors intend screen wipes to have? None. Are you drunk? You're missing the point so hard. Please stop. Please.
 
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Lucas used screen wipes to make the audience feel like they were watching a serial from the early days of film making. It was to set a certain tone for the films.
They were used to varying effects through the film for diffrent types of emotion. Either impending doom, speed etc

I will school you all night on film young man. You obviously have no clue on how a film is shot, or how it is made. We can go on about this all night if you like.

Emotional tone is Emotional tone ,and one of the most powerful ways to achieve that is actually through the transition. There's Directors that have made whole films based around that premise.

To say that something inside a scene that causes the audience react, isn't on the same playing field as the connector just make your look ignorant.\

You say that the original Films didnt fall to film making gimmicks, and I say yes they did.
 
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Oh fucking bullshit. Screen wipes are a 100% cosmetic effect that makes nobody feel anything except for people who already have a strong opinion about what a screen wipe "means". Your high horse is fucking retarded too.

Spinny cam on a gracefully swooping MF is a hack job to make mouth breathers oooh and aaaah. Not even in the same game, let alone ballpark.
 
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Oh fucking bullshit. Screen wipes are a 100% cosmetic effect that makes nobody feel anything except for people who already have a strong opinion about what a screen wipe "means". Your high horse is fucking retarded too.
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Screen wipes are not a cosmetic effect ,and are in fact a transition in film. There are many types of screen wipes each with there own emotional impacts on the two scenes they connect.

Akira Kurosawa. is the master of the wipe transition. Everything he did was made to evoke a reaction from the audience.

Read up son, then let me introduce you to "shot by shot" so your un educated opinion on film can one day be educated

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wipe_%28transition%29
 
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That's also not even close to what I was talking about when I said "the spinning is nothing but a cheezy gimmick to make that scene appear to be more exciting and action packed than it actually is." There are things that directors can do in post production to make a "meh" scene look more exciting. Making it look like the cameraman is having a seizure is one of those things, and I think the Millennium Falcon scene would look a lot better without that effect.
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The problem is that you are acting like the whole movie is going to be a collection of camera gimmicks. We have NO FUCKING CLUE if that is going to be the case. None of us do. Yet people are bitching without context about a 10 second shot. Just because there's a soapbox for people to express their opinion, doesn't mean we should always step up and say something.

Yes, just like ANYTHING, things can be overused, or misused. FUCK, JJ is actually known for overusing lens flare, something that CAN be great if it's used properly, just like quick camera cuts and shaky cam, dolly shots, steadicam, wide angles, low angles, depth of field.

If you really can't get over it, then I got bad news for you. It's very unlikely that you will enjoy this movie, because nothing will get better than your perception of perfection, which, as much as I love the original Star Wars, it's FAR from being perfect, and that's ok.

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Column_sl said:
Screen wipes are not a cosmetic effect ,and are in fact a transition in film. There are many types of screen wipes each with there own emotional impacts on the two scenes they connect.
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Dude, that's just the weakest excuse for a split hair argument ever. Waaaaaah, they're not a cosmetic effect, they're a cosmetictransitionwaaaaaaah!!

I don't give half a fuck what "educated opinion" you memorized to try to appear to be cultured. Transitions mean jack and shit to the people who watch movies. On the other hand, jumpy shaky spinny cam is the visual equivalent of a sudden unexpected loud noise. So is lens flare. It catches people's eye and makes them physically react even though they don't even realize what they're reacting to. The MF shot didn't need it. It looked better without it.

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The problem is that you are acting like the whole movie is going to be a collection of camera gimmicks.
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No, that is absolutely not the problem. I specifically said that the MF shot was my one single gripe, and my opinion is that it would lookbetterif this one specific cheap technique wasn't used. I apologize for also pointing out that the cheap technique is overused. My bad, I didn't mean to mislead anyone to think that I was objecting to it because it's popular.
 
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they're a cosmetic transition waaaaaaah
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LOL, you are just making up words now. Cosmetic transition? everything is visual... The audience does not have to know what a transition is to feel the impact of it.

You lost the argument just move on.

Also I welcome you to watch what most american editors right now feel is the king of the transitional edit in 2014

 
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OH BOY ITS DA MALANIUM FALCON SO AMAZED
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Look, we realize that because you spend all day jerking off to internet porn, you've hampered all of your dopamine receptors, but some of us are still able to get excited about things.
 
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LOL, you are just making up words now. Cosmetic transition? everything is visual...

You lost the argument just move on.

Also I welcome you to watch what most american directors right now feel is the king of the transitional edit in 2014

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It's not my fault that you're incapable of comprehending that words have meanings. Screen wipes are 100% cosmetic and mean nothing. That's what I said and I dare you to try to come up with an original argument that says otherwise. The video you linked is a good example of someone that knows what they're doing can carefully choose the scene being cut from and to, as well as carefully choosing an appropriate cosmetic transition that works well between the scenes, and the whole becomes greater than the sum of the parts. That's not even in the same ballpark as "There are many types of screen wipes each with there own emotional impacts on the two scenes they connect." You're wrong, and your lack of comprehension should be embarrassing to you.

Shaky cam, jumpy cam, spinny cam, et al. are cheap and have the same cheesy effect with very little effort. These things have nothing to do with the video you linked and paraphrased so badly.
 
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I don't think you even know what a transition is at this point. And you keep saying ridiculous statements like cosmetic transition, cosmetic effect etc. It's like you made up your own vocabulary for film.

Everything in editing means something, it's a storytelling device otherwise we would never use edits at all.

Your original statement is the original Star Wars did not use cheap film making gimmicks, and of course they did.
You even contradict yourself in the above wall of text saying this film maker used transitions intelligently. If transitions can be used intelligently, then they can also be used badly as a gimmick.

It's like you amp up the retard whith each new post.


Also speaking of screen wipes, Lucas on Episode 3. ROFL, that's hilarious

 
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I'm 35, i had crappy 3in action figures that were worst than gi-joes. I built model at-ats, speeders and xwings, yes i can practically smell the testor model cement and filmy finger tips and it brings me back.

Still, this trailer, unimpressive much. I never cared for the EU bullshit, and the comics were worse and pretty ugly, what did bring me back into the star wars universe, were the games. super star wars for the snes, holy shit was that a hard side scroller, then of course x-wing and then x-wing v tie fighter. Had to learn dos and shit to play all those games to make the perfect autoexec bat file. Then jedi knight, holy shit kyle katarn, go fuck shit up.

Then i'm a sophmore in college, in engineering/comp sci, a whole college full of like minded nerds, we all got a midnight showing. My Gf at the time(wife now) slept, holy fucking shit was that ass boring as shit.

2002 rolls along, ok Lucas, you killed a part of my childhood, maybe you'll make it up in move2, nope, it just fucking died. fuck you star wars never again.

2003 wtf is bioware and why did they win all these game of the year? knights of the old republic? holy shit

and that's it, that's the last time i felt good about anything star wars related, everything after KotOR is shit and will make you feel shitty for thinking about it. Why? b/c you'll make concessions.

Like KotOR2... yea it was "almost" as good, if not rehashed... and yea it expanded crafting and shit, if a bit rehashed.

The next Star Wars Movie is like the next Transformers movie, it'll be shit and crap on your childhood, b/c they don't care, they just want to make money.

What is this trailer? it's Pandering.

Pandering to the overt racism in Star Wars, in a galaxy far far away exists a bunch of white ppl, jimmy smits, the colt 45 guy and tons of mexican clones.

So let's put a black guy in a storm trooper outfit!

Star Wars is about droids, so let's make El Soccer D2

And Star Wars is about light sabers, so let's come up with some cool new light saber design, just b/c we have to keep up with the Jones.

Oh and let's camera flip the Millenium Falcon, just b/c.

Pandering.

There's been a ton of of Space Opera type movies release since Return of the Jedi (cuz let's be real the prequels suck and don't count) that are better.
 
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Column_sl said:
I don't think you even know what a transition is at this point. And you keep saying ridiculous statements like cosmetic transition, cosmetic effect etc. It's like you made up your own vocabulary for film.

Everything in editing means something, it's a storytelling device otherwise we would never use edits at all.

Your original statement is the original Star Wars did not use cheap film making gimmicks, and of course they did.
You even contradict yourself in the above wall of text saying this film maker used transitions intelligently. If transitions can be used intelligently, then they can also be used badly as a gimmick.

It's like you amp up the retard whith each new post.


Also speaking of screen wipes, Lucas on Episode 3. ROFL, that's hilarious

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What, it's like I understand how words work and where their meanings come from? Yeah, sorry that you can't understand words put together in ways that you're not familiar with.

Where exactly did I Star Wars did not use cheap gimmicks? Seriously? That's the straw that you want to grasp at?

What do those wipes that Lucas used mean? Nothing. The wipes mean nothing. A good film maker could, with care, use them to transition between two meaningful scenes, but, that's not who we're talking about.
 
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