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chaos

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Please, our country could barely tolerate the Iraq and Afghan wars. A war like that... I can't even imagine the public reaction.
 

Himeo

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Please, our country could barely tolerate the Iraq and Afghan wars. A war like that... I can't even imagine the public reaction.
They've got nukes. They've got multi-stage ballistic missiles. They've threatened to nuke us. Are we just going to wait for one of our cities to become a fireball?

That'll go over well.
 

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Wouldn't SK provide the "boots on the ground" resources in a case of peninsula war, with US doing the air support?
 

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I guess leaving South Korea on Wednesday was a good move.
Funny though, people in Seoul don't seem to really care about anything that is going on in the north.
 

Big Phoenix

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Is it really that many people though? Those that you listed are what, a few thousand people? And what do they really see? And what is Grorious Reader telling them about this shit? I really don't know, I find the whole thing fascinating but I just haven't read about it or anything yet.
Its obviously not millions, but plenty of NKs I would imagine have lots of interaction with foreigners or are able to leave the country somehow or come close to it(vice did a short video on NK laborers in russia). Its definitely interesting and just plain unworldly. I mean how do they reconcile what they see with what they are told? Just cant understand how they do that.

Hell check out this documentary, its about a team of optometrist who go to NK and perform a few thousand eye surgeries on people with cataracts. Hundreds and hundreds of people who where completely blind for years or decades or all their life magically cured by people they have never met, speaking a language they never heard, using technology they have never even heard of but what is very first thing they do when the procedure is over and they can see? Face a picture of dear leader and thank him for restoring their sight;

http://movies.netflix.com/WiPlayer?m...&trkid=2450709
 

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You have to wonder how much of that "dear leader" worship is authentic and how much is done out of fear. If they don't thank dear leader for saving their eyesight it's very possible they'll end up in a labor camp with everyone else in their family.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are hordes of people who genuinely believe dear leader is to thank for health, rain, and everything else in the world. But I'm sure there are also plenty of people who realize things aren't exactly kosher, but don't have any other choice than to play along for their and their families' sakes.
 

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You have to think, how much of it can really be fake if they have literally NEVER known anything else?
 

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You have to think, how much of it can really be fake if they have literally NEVER known anything else?
That more or less. I would think that if the majority were just acting and didnt drink the koolaid there would be a revolt or insurgency by now.
 

McCheese

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You have to think, how much of it can really be fake if they have literally NEVER known anything else?
Well, I'm talking more about the people who have some level of knowledge/interaction about the outside world. For example, their "journalists" and broadcasters who edit foreign news coverage and get to see a lot more than what the average North Korean Joe is allowed to see. Some of the more priviligedged people and actual party members who are allowed to live in Pyonyang and read books that are otherwise banned/unavailable to normal folk. Athletes, too, who travel abroad, would have some knowledge that things aren't necessarily exactly as they've been told.

It's been a while since I read "Nothing to Envy", but I believe a few of the people which it focuses on start to question what they've been told throughout their lives, but of course they have to keep up appearances until they're able to escape.
 
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It is far more likely any nuclear attack from the US would go via submarine. There is literally no reason to even fly over NK
 

chaos

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Well, I'm talking more about the people who have some level of knowledge/interaction about the outside world. For example, their "journalists" and broadcasters who edit foreign news coverage and get to see a lot more than what the average North Korean Joe is allowed to see. Some of the more priviligedged people and actual party members who are allowed to live in Pyonyang and read books that are otherwise banned/unavailable to normal folk. Athletes, too, who travel abroad, would have some knowledge that things aren't necessarily exactly as they've been told.

It's been a while since I read "Nothing to Envy", but I believe a few of the people which it focuses on start to question what they've been told throughout their lives, but of course they have to keep up appearances until they're able to escape.
Read 1984 again, I'll bet it's a lot like that. Their Ministry of Truth is what I imagine NK journalists to be like. I'll bet it's not too far from the truth. I'll bet a lot of the less intelligent people believe that shit so hard that they just don't know any other way, and the more intelligent are either up the ranks, in a concentration camp, or in perpetual fear of the camps/death/whatever.
 
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Read 1984 again, I'll bet it's a lot like that. Their Ministry of Truth is what I imagine NK journalists to be like. I'll bet it's not too far from the truth. I'll bet a lot of the less intelligent people believe that shit so hard that they just don't know any other way, and the more intelligent are either up the ranks, in a concentration camp, or in perpetual fear of the camps/death/whatever.
I'm sure you can find NK TV streaming some where on the web. It might be hard to find a translation though.
 

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I've never seen a B2 from the ground level like that. What a terrifying death angel of destruction it is.

also, who thinks NK will shell some useless SK position in the next two weeks?
I had the pleasure of a low altitude B2 overflight at Travis AFB during an air show; they are amazingly impressive machines.
 

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I had the pleasure of a low altitude B2 overflight at Travis AFB during an air show; they are amazingly impressive machines. I could barely even hear the thing to make it even more ominous.
I saw them numerous times while at Nellis, and got to see one during a live fire demonstration w/ pretty much at least one of everything the AF had back in the mid 2000's. If you search for "nellis capstone" there are a handful of videos and some info out there.

As far as nuke delivery is concerned, the B2's apparently only carryB61'sandB83's. Both are unguided/gravity bombs. Seems to make quite a bit more sense for logistics/safety to use anSLBM,ICBM,ALCM, orACM. Of those, ALCM's have the shortest range at 1500 mi.
 

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You have to think, how much of it can really be fake if they have literally NEVER known anything else?
If you believe in something long enough it will become real. It doesn't make it real, it just becomes of method of acceptance where you know nothing else, and you become it, with every last part of you. It will become all you know, and the thought of what is truly real is alien and foreign, and will never cross your mind again.