North Korea goes full retard

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Himeo

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Call the bluff. Fuck North Korea.

Offer the Chinese and Russians the opportunity to clean the place out. Or we can. It's all good.
 
Jozu

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Im not gonna argue about hypothetical bullshit, but honestly, the DMZ is a fucking hard-line drawn in the sand, and if NK can get any kind of significant force beyond it, the odds of SK being able to defend themselves is almost none.

But the US will not let that happen so its a dumb argument. NK has a fuckload of ballistics and will unleash them long before any coordinated land invasion takes place.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
What side would china and Russia pick in your mind?
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Well I cannot predict what other countries will do but I can take a look at the trade statistics the census office is so kind as to publish (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4621.html,http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html) and estimate that they would likely not want a full-on military engagement with a trade partner their economies depend on very much. I could be wrong though but pragmatism leads me to believe I am not.
 
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Jozu_sl said:
Im not gonna argue about hypothetical bullshit, but honestly, the DMZ is a fucking hard-line drawn in the sand, and if NK can get any kind of significant force beyond it, the odds of SK being able to defend themselves is almost none.

But the US will not let that happen so its a dumb argument. NK has a fuckload of ballistics and will unleash them long before any coordinated land invasion takes place.
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As I understand it the most likely "invasion" scenario would not be a direct assault across the DMZ but the infiltration of NK special forces into Seoul to seize a few buildings and areas and maybe set up some kind of bargaining position with hostages.

Such an operation would be a desperate and hugely risky move, but compared to that an outright invasion across the border would be insanity. They don't have the fuel to mobilise their vast manpower and there are only a handful of routes they can actually get to Seoul (because of the geography) which the South Koreans have had plenty of time to blockade.

I don't doubt that there are crazies in NK who actually believe they could win a war, but the guys at the top should be well aware of their own limitations. They meet foreign diplomats and government representatives more frequently than either side will admit:

"Administration officials did travel to North Korea on secret missions last year to engage the newly-anointed leader to moderate his foreign policy. One of the trips took place in April 2012 and was led by Joseph DeTrani - a North Korea expert who then headed America's National Counter-Proliferation Center. "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22006055
 
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With them restarting this dismantled nuclear reactor, it seems obvious what is going on here. North Korea is trying so hard to get the US to do something stupid preemptively, and when that happens they will use it as leverage to invade SK or TRY to win Chinese support(I don't think they will). The thing is, if the US just idles along with more sanctions, NK is going to build more and more weapons, and eventually have some weaponized for their mid-long range missiles. Once they hit that point, it's a big fucking mess. It also wouldn't surprise me if they're already working on a way to smuggle a nuke into Seoul, or even out into the open sea on some sort of a ship to take into mainland USA or Japan. Chemical weapons are always an issue as well, because they already have those weaponized and ready to go.

In the end, I think we're just delaying the inevitable at this point, a confrontation IS going to happen, it's just a matter of when and how well armed NK will be with nuclear weapons by that time.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
Increasingly that's very true from their perspective,

how many countries with nuclear weapons have been invaded during the period they had nuclear weapons?

vs how many countries have been invaded since 1945 that don't have nuclear weapons.
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Never heard of India, Pakistan, China, or Israel?
 
Agraza

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Pakistan invaded India recentlywhen Pakistan technically had nuclear weapons, but their capacity to attack was somewhat indeterminate during the conflict. The location of the conflict also presented challenges for both sides, but that's not really relevant to the issue of nuclear escalation.

The war is one of the most recent examples of high altitude warfare in mountainous terrain, which posed significant logistical problems for the combating sides. To date, it is also the only instance of direct, conventional warfare between nuclear states (i.e., those possessing nuclear weapons). India had conducted its first successful test in 1974; Pakistan, which had been developing its nuclear capability in secret since around the same time, conducted its first known tests in 1998, just two weeks after a second series of tests by India.
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Agraza

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Well I don't know that the Pakis could have bombed India if they wanted to.

Still, I think they were hoping it would be a case of finder's keeper's with China backing them and the everyone else saying fuck it. They do have a decent claim to the land.
 
iannis

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I remember it was extremely downplayed in American news. "Pakistan and India are fighting over some fucking valley -- but in other news".

Even digging deeper I remember the editorials were along the lines of, "This could go incredibly badly... but it probably won't. This is a very old dispute"
 
iannis

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Stuff like that belongs on a blog, not so much in a newspaper. Not that I disagree... but keep it classy LAtimes.com. or something.

No matter how foolish/crazy/ridiculous he is, bombs still go boom.
 
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