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Azrayne

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"I've reported from Ceausescu's Romania, Saddam's Iraq, Gaddafi's Libya, Mugabe's Zimbabwe and the Ayatollahs' Iran - but after eight days undercover in North Korea, I believe this regime is the most frightening tyranny of all."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...mbie-Sons.html
Fuck the Daily Mail. It's a trash rag good for nothing but spouting conservative talking points and sucking up to the rich/famous/aristocratic. I wouldn't clean up my dog's shit with it.
 

Loser Araysar

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more like the Daily Fail, amirite?


Looks like Sweeney is basically a BBC reporter, most of his work is for them.

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Sweeney has won several awards throughout his career, including:[19]
1998: What the Papers Say Journalist of the Year prize for reports on human rights abuses in Algeria.
2000: an Emmy Award and a Royal Television Society prize for programs about the Massacre at Krusha e Madhe, Kosovo.
2001: the Amnesty International prize for "Victims of the Torture Train," about human rights abuses in Chechnya.
2003: a Sony Gold award (2003) for Best Radio News program.
2004: a Royal Television Society prize (2004) for "Angela's Hope," a BBC One documentary about a woman wrongly convicted of murdering her three babies.
2005: The Paul Foot Award.
 

fanaskin

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that is not even remotely the same.

Iraq literally didn't do anything. Nor did Afghanistan. We invaded 2 sovereign nations under false pretenses then occupied them for 9 years. Causing tens of thousands of civilian deaths, which is ongoing.
NK is at war already. Has nuclear capabilities, is threatening war. Testing weapons over our allies.

A good amount of the "we should never have been in Iraq" sentiment, was "we should instead be in NK."
That's just totally ignorant of the situation. The North Koreans are under the same brutal sanctions that Iraq was. If we lifted the sanctions and treated them rationally at all the need to threaten war to receive concessions at the negotiating table would disappear. There are mass graves in North Korea of starved to death civilians because the army gets food priority. That is the cause of this flag waving in order to feed the North Koreans the leader has to do that. They have had to threaten war since 1950, it's just Kim Jon uns turn to prove his capable.

It actually costs more money to do these military maneuvers with the south as a show of force than if we gave that to n Korea and access to food markets to feed its people.

The North Koreans currently possess thousands of tanks and planes and looks good on paper until you realize its all Korean war era tanks with barely the gas to drive to soul and the planes dont even possess radar. South Korea by contrast could easily curb stomp any offensive. There's only like 3 valleys tanks could drive through what do you think modern planes a helicopters would do to that?

It exists in a balance n Korea could devastate the capital city and be quickly wiped out forever, they would never attack unless utterly insane they would all die easily and they know that.
 

fanaskin

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What hijackers came from Afghanistan? Afghanistan refused to hand over bin laden without some kind of proof which is what you are supposed to do according to the UN. We ignored that and invaded.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001...tan.terrorism5

Bush said "not negotiable" we won't stop bombing Afghanistan and provide proof of bin ladens link to the crime.
 

Loser Araysar

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What did they really do?

They didnt plan the attacks, they didnt fund the attacks, they gave refuge to Bin laden and that's about it. If their only crime is letting terrorists and criminals pass through their borders and occassionally stay, then you could accuse just about every country right now of the same crime.

The fact is that post-9/11 politics demanded retaliation and since you can't sell a war against an ideology or a tactic like radical islam or terrorism, Afghanistan was the next best thing.
 
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Holding an entire country responsible for the criminal acts of a few of foreign people taking advantage of it's porous borders is laughable. Imagine China invading the US to punish the country for letting some Hispanic Border Jumper hide out in Los Angles. (add in the irony of the target long since left and relocated to a mansion in Montreal Canada while Californians were getting their doors kicked in or ordnance dropped on their neighborhoods.)

Notice Bush Jr. didn't start ANY shit with his Dad's long time buddies, the Saudis, who were much more culpable for 9/11 than the Afghans were. Add in Iraq Redux and the whole thing is epic levels of stupid that history will not be kind to.
 

khalid

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Revisionist history out the ass up in this piece. Afghanistan didn't just have a porous border that Al-Qaeda managed to sneak through. The Taliban, essentially the government of Afghanistan at the time of the invasion, were supporting them in every way possible.

A better example might be would China hold us responsible if we harbored and gave protection to a police force that just killed several thousand of their citizens. Yes, they would.
 

Northerner

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Well, given the history of the area, I don't think it is entirely fair to ignore how the Taliban came to have their power base in Afghanistan. Nor Saddam in Iraq and so on and so on.

But whatever, it doesn't really matter I guess.
 

Tuco

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. Imagine China invading the US to punish the country for letting some Hispanic Border Jumper hide out in Los Angles.
If a 'hispanic border jumper' were to organize a group of people that inflicted a massive terrorist attack on Beijing I can only hope and assume that the US would do everything in its power to find the terrorists and bring them to justice.

And the US would have no problem with a Chinese investigator who knows how to get the job done.
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a_skeleton_03

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Revisionist history out the ass up in this piece. Afghanistan didn't just have a porous border that Al-Qaeda managed to sneak through. The Taliban, essentially the government of Afghanistan at the time of the invasion, were supporting them in every way possible.

A better example might be would China hold us responsible if we harbored and gave protection to a police force that just killed several thousand of their citizens. Yes, they would.
Weren't you the guy claiming that we made up the term Al Qaeda and they never used it themselves?
 
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The Taliban, essentially the government of Afghanistan at the time of the invasion, were supporting them in every way possible.
Nice big umbrella you are trying to create. there is no, nor has their ever been anything resembling a government in Afghanistan, and 'the Taliban' is an idea, not an entity. It's all warlords, tribes and fiefdoms in that part of the world, each pursuing their own interests.

And it certainly isn't 'revisionist history' when it was obvious at the time to anyone paying attention, but please keep buying into the manufactured scenario they tried to sell to everyone painted with the biggest brush possible and all tied together in a nice neat bow.

If a 'hispanic border jumper' were to organize a group of people that inflicted a massive terrorist attack on Beijing I can only hope and assume that the US would do everything in its power to find the terrorists and bring them to justice.
Saudi people with Saudi money, the location of SOME of them at the time seems to be the minor factor in the equation. They could have picked Yemen, Somalia, the Philippines, etc. etc. etc as a base with sympathetic people willing to lend em a few acres and a hut to hang out.
 

Tuco

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Nice big umbrella you are trying to create. there is no, nor has their ever been anything resembling a government in Afghanistan, and 'the Taliban' is an idea, not an entity. It's all warlords, tribes and fiefdoms in that part of the world, each pursuing their own interests.

And it certainly isn't 'revisionist history' when it was obvious at the time to anyone paying attention, but please keep buying into the manufactured scenario they tried to sell to everyone painted with the biggest brush possible and all tied together in a nice neat bow.



Saudi people with Saudi money, the location of SOME of them at the time seems to be the minor factor in the equation. They could have picked Yemen, Somalia, the Philippines, etc. etc. etc as a base with sympathetic people willing to lend em a few acres and a hut to hang out.
Where they are seems pretty fucking major if you're trying to find them.
 

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If Iraq literally didn't do anything testing chemical weapons on Kurds, then NK literally hasn't done anything either.
whatever the fuck they do to Kurds isn't our problem. It's under their jurisdiction. It is a fucking problem when they start threatening USA/Japan with nukes, which are reality with NK. Not even close in comparison.