NVidia GeForce RTX 30x0 cards
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I've built dozens of machines over the last few years for friends and family, using a myriad of hardware to fit their budget, and lately what's available. Using both brands for cpus and gpus. I get complaints from both sides on gpu drivers if anyone buys a AAA game day one and they haven't downloaded the updated driver. nVidia tends to have that driver available, on or before day 1, while AMD may or may not even release an update. Depends on the game. What's wild is AMD driver updates 6 months after a game is out can produce 50-60% performance improvements. The fuck.
If they're Minecraft, Fortnite, Warcraft, League, or Steam indie players, they never have any issues and are only mind blown by load times using NVMe drives vs their old spool drives.
If they're Minecraft, Fortnite, Warcraft, League, or Steam indie players, they never have any issues and are only mind blown by load times using NVMe drives vs their old spool drives.
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Nvidia has a program for game studios "helping" them with their game, and at the same time optimizing code paths in the driver for that game specifically. That is how they have special drivers for new AAA games on day one.
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Fucking seriously lol.
I hope AMD comes in and just obliterates - competition is amazing. I'm partial to Nvidia, but if the 30%+ power for 30% performance gain is true, that kinda blows.
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As much as we'd like AMD to surprise Nvidia like they did Intel, I'd be shocked if they came anywhere close to the 3090. If they do I'll laugh as Jensen will hastily call a press conference and announce they "forgot" to mention the new Titan with 21Gbps memory...
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Quineloe
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Yes my first card was an ATI which didn't even work properly for Quake 2, then I got a Voodoo 3 2000 followed by a Voodoo 5 from my first Military paycheck. That one lasted me quite a while, I don't recall what I had after that. First one I do remember is a GTX 260.
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kegkilla
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Optane isn't a bad idea, it's just incredibly hard to get enough people to buy into something until it has developer support, and it's incredibly hard to get developer support for a product that nobody is using.
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Is competeting with the 3090 even their target? In the past the titan has been a very small percentage of cards. Maybe their banking on such demand for Nvidia if they have "something" out that works reasonably well and on shelves that will fill a need.
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rhinohelix
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I would say on both fronts, let's wait and see. I think they might beat Intel in gaming or at least get super close. My last machine I am (re)building is a 9900KF with a 2080TI; this time I expect to build a smaller (NZXT H1 with whatever fits graphics card and Zen3). I started to disagree with you based upon your last sentence but you are right: There have been a bunch of holdover AMD fanboys from back in the day riding the wave of AMD hype every time they launch something new, when AMD was releasing trash CPUs for the previous half a decade before Zen and Intel was growing fat and 14nm++++++++ lazy.
That AMD whole Marketing Dept who overhyped every release of every Video Card and CPU got shitcanned. Now Lisa Su is running a complete different ship, so much that the steamroller that is the Zen Processors caught many people by surprise. No one was expecting Zen1 to not suck, or Zen2 to be so competitive. I honestly would have probably gone AMD last time other than the actively cooled x570 chipset (stupid reason but I am still scarred from a high pitched chipset fan in the early 00s I could never fix) . I believe the same thing is about to happen in Video Cards, except nVidia isn't Intel and is actually able to compete in their space. I would be thrilled if I could get a card that is close to the 3080 that uses way less power this time and save the bigger card for whatever comes next for the RNDA3/Ampere replacement fight 2021-2022. 30-35% better than a 2080Ti doesn't sound like a huge win for me at 800 bucks.
Part of Tom's video was pulling back the cover on there deliberately won't be many of the cards announced the other day: Announcing your 3080 FE is going to be available for $699 when you are deliberately planning on not having many to sell, when the Aftermarket card makers will then come behind with a different cooler, either with a much more expensive card or with different speeds/potentially different results is shady, particularly when your are racing to beat your competition out the door. nVidia is going to deliberately short stock the market with the cards with those awesome coolers and then let AIBs fill in the gaps with cards with less nice coolers for more money. It's a story worth reporting *if and major if* its true.
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That scrappy underdog company has their stock at $76/share, while Intel has tumbled to $46/share, and also has a class action lawsuit against them for misleading shareholders about their delay in their 7nm chips, which by the way, they aren't even going to be making themselves. And by the time they finally release their 10nm chips, AMD will be releasing their 5nm chips. So whatever lead you think Intel has, they will lose it in the next year, and probably never get it back.
As far as competing with Nvidia on the GPU side, I don't think they will ever catch up or surpass Nvidia, but they will be a viable choice for people who want decent performance for less money.
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Do you not understand that a stock price is meaningless without context? Go look up the market cap of Intel and AMD and report back. Better yet, go fetch Intel and AMD's net profit for Q2 2020. I'll wait.
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Intel is a company with a history of absolutely horrendous business practices. Back in 2005 when AMD had surpassed Intel in performance and technology what did Intel do? Gave major OEMs like Dell and HP billions in bribes to not sell AMD systems. Theyve lied to their investors about their 10nm and 7nm processes. In these past few years that theyve lied to their investors and everyone about their nodes, theyve literally spent 10+ billion dollars buying back their own stock and are continuing to do so right now. Then theres the fact their CEO was fired for banging some random female employee two years ago, the fact theyve fucked over consumers by hyper segmenting their product lines and ignoring any and all calls to bring better products to the market.
Intel is rightfully vilified for being a shitty corporation. They are the paradigm of what happens when a company has a defacto monopoly over a sector of the economy. Everyone should be kissing AMD's ass because if it wasnt for them you wouldnt be buying a desktop 10c/20t processor for $500.
Intel is rightfully vilified for being a shitty corporation. They are the paradigm of what happens when a company has a defacto monopoly over a sector of the economy. Everyone should be kissing AMD's ass because if it wasnt for them you wouldnt be buying a desktop 10c/20t processor for $500.
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They've also lost a lot of top talent to other companies. They haven't released true next gen products because there's no one left to design them. Keller bailing out was a sign of how bad it is there.
The only thing Intel has is a massive amount of momentum. There's only so much of that left in 14nm, and their 10nm is effectively broken, and 7nm is who knows how many years away. They aren't in deep shit yet, but they will be unless someone pulls a magic rabbit out of their ass over there.
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You forgot the biggest disaster in recent time: The Spectre + Meltdown side channel attacks, how they knew about it months in advance (due to the researchers being nice), and how they still fucked up the timing and not having mitigations ready for most of their product line. How they even lied about the performance impact of mitigations (which is 5 to 30%, depending on workload).
The CEO being fired for fucking inside the company was just a pretext in my opinion, because he was caught with his hand deep in the cookie jar: Dumping his Intel stock shortly before the Spectre/Meltdown announcement hit. No way he didn't know about such a major risk factor for the company.
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Yeah forgot about that whole thing. So much shit behavior from them.
I imagine that if AMDs CEO was a pretty blonde instead of a stereotypical looking late 50s something Asian woman the msm would be all over AMD like they where for theranos and yahoo when that idiot Marissa Meyer ran it.
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That chipset fan put me off the X570 as well, went midrange intel instead. These days I value a quiet PC more than that last 5-10% performance.
If this release is anything like the 1080, prices could remain high for a while. I bought the 1080FE the day it came out and for a few months afterwards, the only 1080s available were going for $100 more than the release day FE.
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Or Carly Fiorina. Media couldn't stop jerking her off despite being one of the worst CEO's of all time.
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