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Leadsalad

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That's a 5070
"But the meme image is a 5090 sir..."


The video from the PSU tester guy and the post from Johnny Guru about it being "impossible" for 1-2 wires to carry 22amps was infuriating when I saw and read them yesterday. I'm not an electrical engineer, but I know enough about electricity to be scared of what it is possible of.

As someone elsewhere said, "If it's impossible for a wire to carry that much current, we wouldn't need circuit breakers."
 
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Noodleface

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Don't worry there's tons of armchair electrical engineers. They just regurgitate what all these YouTube assclowns say.
 
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Also, just so the general audience is aware, DerBauer there is the lead engineer of Thermal Grizzly, the well regarded thermal paste manufacturer, who therefore probably has some idea what he's speaking of and has equipment readily available beyond the average consumer / youtuber.

But the larger point is that if the new cards are drawing per-line power close to the max spec, and Nvidia has cheaped out on per-line overamperage detection (though I would point out, not mitigation - I am not aware of any designs that actively shut down the card once they detect overamperage), then the cables themselves need to be literally 100% reliable, and there's way too many stories of cables not being seated quite perfectly or having hairline fractures.

Unfortunately, I don't know how the general public is going to get any clarity on the power cable front, barring someone buying hundreds / thousands from various manufacturers and various lots and (briefly) testing them under designed 5090 loads to see how many are fine and how many will take out the test rig.
 
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Axiel

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900W PS needed.

750 W needed, right in your video

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Just a highly overclocked version wants more
 
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Leadsalad

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Don't worry there's tons of armchair electrical engineers. They just regurgitate what all these YouTube assclowns say.
Well, Aris got buttmad and made a video response apparently.



And now it's full shit flinging from what was a respected EE in the PSU standards community, it's actually wild.

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Neranja

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then the cables themselves need to be literally 100% reliable, and there's way too many stories of cables not being seated quite perfectly or having hairline fractures.
The Nvidia connector has a safety factor of 1.1. So If you are dragging 600W--as designed--through it, even a single sub-par connection on one wire makes the other wires go above spec. That Nvidia cheaped out on load distribution, and even detection by saving some shunt resistors on a $2000 (MSRP) flagship card is beyond wild at this point.

I guess Jensen needed the money for his next leather jacket. Or spatulas for his kitchen.

And now it's full shit flinging from what was a respected EE in the PSU standards community, it's actually wild.
These two quotes:
  1. "some people will see this video and say hey it can work let's try it, since it is safe. Or believe that >20A per gauge are safe."
  2. "And now I have your followers trying to hit me forgetting who I am and the work I do for the community ALL these fucking years. Insulting NOT only me but my team also."
tell me that we have left the realm of hard science, and are arguing with emotion and morality. Especially when gaslighting derBauer with claims he never made, like "it's safe."
 
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Malakriss

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Given that overclocking is a selling point and has been for decades power delivery should be over-engineered by 200%, but it turns out it was under-engineered and (one of) the places they cut costs with each generation.
 
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RobXIII

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I'm kind of glad I wasn't able to snag one lol. Yes I was aware of the likelihood of there being release day issues, but I have more money than sense :p
 
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GuardianX

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Loved my 1080TI from EVGA, my favorite card of all time as well and lasted a good while before the 3080 released.

Same card. Best.Card.Ever.

Mine died recently and I'm stuck in this limbo of having a shit card, waiting for good cards to hit shelves...not spending 3k on a GPU though.

1080 lasted me about 8 years..

Sittin on this garbo now, a GPU I bought years ago for about 100 USD and then put into my media center and later replaced but kept as a "Oh shit, things broke" card.

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Burren

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This is all pretty frustrating for someone who is now old and ignorant of what a good card, chip, MB, and ram combo are, for proper value. Been out of this game so long it just makes me want to buy something pre-made rather than build and just hope it’s decent.
 
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This is all pretty frustrating for someone who is now old and ignorant of what a good card, chip, MB, and ram combo are, for proper value. Been out of this game so long it just makes me want to buy something pre-made rather than build and just hope it’s decent.
As somebody who did the research and built their own PC in 2021 at the height of the GPU mining craze, I'm 100% buying premades from now on.

I realize I'm "wasting" money, but I'm willing to pay a $500-700 dollar markup just to not have to fuck with that shit ever again. I've officially entered my Murtaugh phase and I'm "too old for this shit".

I was never that into building PCs even in my teens and 20s, I'm definitely fucking done with it at 40.
 
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Burren

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As somebody who did the research and built their own PC in 2021 at the height of the GPU mining craze, I'm 100% buying premades from now on.

I realize I'm "wasting" money, but I'm willing to pay a $500-700 dollar markup just to not have to fuck with that shit ever again. I've officially entered my Murtaugh phase and I'm "too old for this shit".

I was never that into building PCs even in my teens and 20s, I'm definitely fucking done with it at 40.
Pretty much just what I'm thinking. At 43 now and the last computer I built was 8 years ago. Today, I don't have that time or mental energy to spare and I'm OK having someone else hand me a turn-key solution. And maybe I'm an outlier, but I feel like the rate of advancement and change keeps picking up which makes it even harder to stay up to date on everything.

At least I'll never get a Mac and try to game with it.