Paleo 101: How and why you should eat like a Caveman

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Dashel

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I actually found an example of what I used to eat when I was leaning out in 2010:

Quick and dirty from yesterday:

Breaking the fast:
Oatmeal 1 cup
Wild blueberries 1/2 cup
Scoop of ON Whey

Snack
Zone bar
Pretzels
Orange
Dannon Light n Fit yogurt

Lunch
Large salad with spinach, broccoli, carrots, kidney beans, chicpeas, oil and balsamic. 5 small fresh mozzarella balls.

Snack
Apple
2 tbsp natural pb

Workout

Dinner
Fish (salmon, broiled)
broccoli
3 pierogies (mashed potatoes in a pasta shell...)

Water throughout the day, probably not enough of it though. Also 2 cups of tea, not green, earl grey with 2 tsp honey.
So looking at that my big problem was the snack, which again I was starving and had to eat something and it was usually crap like lite n fit yogurt and protein bars. and pretzels, god I loved them so much at the time.
 
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I actually found an example of what I used to eat when I was leaning out in 2010:



So looking at that my big problem was the snack, which again I was starving and had to eat something and it was usually crap like lite n fit yogurt and protein bars. and pretzels, god I loved them so much at the time.
The snack was your big problem? What about fucking pierogies? Lmao. You were also eating under 80g protein a day, right around that.
 

Dashel

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But you've admitted in this thread, in your Robb Wolf love fest, that calorie intake matters. You gained weight because of calorie intake, you were lean because of calorie intake.
But again, you could apply that logic to anything based off whatever you wanted. Why though? Pasta and grains have more nutritional value than just sugar, which you seem to keep implying that they don't when they do. It is filling, tasty, healthy, cheap, I mean what's not to like?
Because here is the claim: Carbs, and in particular refined simple carbs, will raise blood sugar. When that happens the body produces insulin because high or low blood sugar is dangerous. insulin regulates fat storage. So you eat more specifically because of what you're eating.

Again here it is in a short clip. If you dont agree with it that's fine, Taubes and all these guys are wrong or hacks or whatever, fine. I think it is worth trying and it makes sense to me. I need to drop some fat and I am trying it:

 

Tuco

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bro Dashel the Piergies are calling. Forget your caveman diet and give in.
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Deathwing

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You were probably conditioning your body to expect the food at certain times. I know I get hungry around lunch and dinner times, regardless of what I ate the meal before. Doesn't make me tired though.

Maybe you need more sleep.
 

Dashel

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bro Dashel the Piergies are calling. Forget your caveman diet and give in.
Peirogies are good. I had 2 the other day. 80/20 rule.

Yesterday my sister in law tried to convince me cave men ate devil dogs.
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Not to jump in dashels camp and defend him, but this is a very weak argument.

There's a wide gap between the nutritional needs of performance athletes and normal people, they have to eat a specific way to be performance athletes, that is not the same thing as eating to be healthy.

If you're a normal person and eat the diet of an athlete you will get fat(I know this fom experience, I got sick and didn't immediately change my habits and ballooned). So it's wrong to draw the connection that because athletes eat a certain way , that its a healthy way to eat.

They're active in a way that both requires carbohydrates( even I have to carb up ), and allows them to eat basically anything because of the immense output of their lifestyle.

Your diet needs to reflect the type of activity you do, there's optimal ways to eat for different lifestyles, but doesn't mean one is good for the other.
When I say athlete, I use the term loosely. When I say boxer, I don't mean Manny Pacquiao. You can be an "athlete" and not be a professional. There are a lot of people who box to stay in shape. If you swim, box, distance run, bike, etc, and do them regularly as your main method of exercise, you fall into the category of an endurance athlete in my mind, and if you want to be any good at those activities your diet should fit that need. But it's still a hobby.

You then have way different carbohydrate requirements than someone who does crossfit or just lifts weights. And in turn, I know people who do all of those things, and I'm sure you do too, or others do, and I know plenty in those groups that look great and are lean, healthy people.

In Dashel's world, by constantly spiking their insulin, they should be fat.
 

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What are you if you're a sedentary programmer/gamer who lifts weights a few times every January/Febuary?
 
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What are you if you're a sedentary programmer/gamer who lifts weights a few times every January/Febuary?
Haha then you should just eat what you like and make sure your weekly calorie intake doesn't pass whatever maintenance would be for your activity level, or you'd get tubby. Just don't eat bread or pasta, you'll die young.
 

Adebisi

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I used to eat Oatmeal every morning with whey, some fresh berries and grapes. Within 2 hours I was starving and had to eat something and I was tired. I never realized it or paid much attention until it was suggested to me that my oatmeal with fruit was basically a lot of sugar. When I eat something like eggs for breakfast I dont have that problem.
I used to eat steak every morning with eggs, some fresh bacon and sausage. Within 2 hours I was starving and had to eat something and I was tired. I never realized it or paid much attention until it was suggested to me that my steak with bacon was basically a lot of protein. When I eat something like whole wheat toast for breakfast I dont have that problem.
 

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Two eggs, turkey bacon, oatmeal w/ a scoop of protein powder and a banana is what I eat every morning. I feel great, no crash and I am ready to eat again in 3 hours.
 

Dashel

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Two eggs, turkey bacon, oatmeal w/ a scoop of protein powder and a banana is what I eat every morning. I feel great, no crash and I am ready to eat again in 3 hours.
I do miss my oatmeal. I will add it back in once I hit my goals.
 

The Master

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I don't think it addresses it because they believe you should be eating them? I mean we are talking modern health where people live longer today than they did 10,000 years ago... I'm all for people pointing out what has worked for them to lose weight. That's why I don't rag on Dashel. He's just spreading the love in his eyes. but to say all grains are bad is just silly because it's not the case.
Again, people only started living longer then they did pre-agriculture very recently. And no one said all grains were bad, Dashel has said repeatedly that rice doesn't seem to have the same effects, because Asians live longer (though their traditional diet is otherwise so far off the western one it isn't a valid comparison, different theories entirely).

My point is none of the research on the site addresses eating flour vs not eating flour. For good reason, the five modern studies that actually looked at it were of a very short duration (though all had very positive results). However, we have an abundance of anthropological evidence which suggests that eating wheat grains is very bad for us, compared to not eating wheat grains, from a time period where there is abundant evidence, though our access to it is very limited. Your link didn't really in any way contribute to the point, which is that without modern medicine of any kind, cavemen literally lived as long as we areright nowand anthropologists believe it is possible that the primary reason for that was the difference in our diet, which was 5% grains and maybe 25% carbs at most (nearly all of which was vegetables, no sugar), as opposed to the current US Government recommendation of 45-65% carbs. It isn't an answered scientific question by any means, but if one of the primary theories as to how cavemen lived as long we do without medicine of any kind is because they ate a lot of meat, fat, and the occasional wild plant or fruit, well, that is worth knowing and not dismissing out of hand. Even if the reason it worked for them is high metabolic output due to constantly activity, performance athletes would love to know that.

Additionally, Harvard is a bright school. Starving people are not healthy. No modern health institute could serious recommend something like the Paleo diet for wide-spread use for the simple reason that we couldn't feed everybody if everyone ate a paleo diet. Grain is almost the only reason the world produces enough calories to feed everyone. But that doesn't mean it is the best diet, by any stretch.
 

Ossoi

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I used to eat steak every morning with eggs, some fresh bacon and sausage. Within 2 hours I was starving and had to eat something and I was tired. I never realized it or paid much attention until it was suggested to me that my steak with bacon was basically a lot of protein. When I eat something like whole wheat toast for breakfast I dont have that problem.
Impossible.
 

The Master

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citation needed
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/life-...nter-gatherer/

Short article summarizing a rather thorough study, which it also links. Hunter-gatherers who die of old age live to be about 72. None of the researchers working on the study have any vested interest in the paleo diet, they are just scientists. I could have linked the study directly, but I figured people would appreciate a quick break down.
 
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http://www.marksdailyapple.com/life-...nter-gatherer/

Short article summarizing a rather thorough study, which it also links. Hunter-gatherers who die of old age live to be about 72. None of the researchers working on the study have any vested interest in the paleo diet, they are just scientists. I could have linked the study directly, but I figured people would appreciate a quick break down.
Can you post the actual study

Nevermind I googled it and its way too long and I really don't care that much lol.