Has evidence supporting it, scientists who specialize in the field think it is a valid theory, and it has not been scientifically disproven isthereason not to bash it, actually. If I am recapping points it is because people are repeating things that are clearly contradicted by those points because they are ignoring data in favor of their preconceived notions.
Paleo 101: How and why you should eat like a Caveman
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And again the French eat more butter and saturated fat but have less incidence of heart disease than the US.Article_sl said:
Another:http://www.bmj.com/press-releases/20...sease-guidance
"Linked".... meaning you can find a study linking almost anything to anything. So just because this happens to fit what I'm doing currently I dont put any more faith in this one. People here seems to want MOAR SIENSE! to justify this though, to the point of plotting the life spans of hunter gatherers. I debated it for a while too since cutting grains seemed pretty extreme but at the end of the day I just decided to try it. So far it is working exactly as advertised. Anecdotally I personally know a handful of people doing it currently and they all report similar results. The other thread I have going has a bunch of people doing it, some for quite a while now, and they all support it. Then again I'm sure there are people who have tried it and hated it.Article_sl said:
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No, it doesn't have any evidence supporting it. At least not any that you've shown us. As I, and Ancient, have repeatedly tried to point out, there are far too many variables, availability of grain being one, between HG and agricultural societies for anyone to point to a specific cause. Your evidence is a non-entity, it doesn't enter into this discussion at all.
It IS a valid theory. One that won't be proven until you take a HG society and replace some of their member's diets with grains. Until then, it's a nice supposition and it doesn't bear discussion here. Especially when you look at how the infant mortality rate of HG societies can skew the data of post 45 age expectancy. It's definitely not a foil to the Havard study, as you've been trying to play it against Convo.
So until you give us some valid scientific proof, yes, I'll bash your paleo diet.
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Here's some follow up material from the guy who made the Fathead documentary. Which by the way if you are even remotely interested in this, watch that. It's free on Netflix. Also catch the Perfect Human Diet, which I had to pay a couple of bucks to watch on Amazon Prime.
1. It isn't "my" paleo diet.
2. Experts in the field agree there are a lot of variables, but it is a valid theory, and does have evidence supporting it. The evidence is simply not conclusive enough for the standards of science. Butscientistsaren't dismissing it, so a layman doing so is just ignorant.
3. Convo linked the study to say grains are good, in response to a post that said "I don't want to live a short life like a paleo man" and my response that said "Well, Paleo man lived longer". That is not up for debate, the only debatable part is thereasonpaleo man lived longer. And, again, not eating grains is one of four theories in the anthropological community that is considered to bethe reason.
4. Infant mortality is pretty overblown. Wild animals had something like 50-60% infant mortality during the same time period that we were at 20-30%. We did pretty well.
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Wow, what a fascinating point. That a human could take better care of their young than an aardvark.
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Something to think about as well, is that grain in its natural form, which grew in the wild was not the grain of today. Same with corn or maize or probably rice as well. It was all spindly and did not have all but a small percentage of yield it does today. Just another thing humans have done over the eons is genetically altered the grains to have huge yields by cross breading etc...
I watched a program about this not too long ago. They were saying that even today its not unheard of to get 5%-6% more yield per acre year to year. And thats on top of the 300%-400% they already have gotten so far.
So these plants are not the same plants from long ago. Whose to say that they are not the cause of a whole plethora of medical issues just for the simple fact that they are genetically altered. No science to back this up, just saying. They can breed in traits from other plants like being insect and disease tolerant, whose to say WTF this shit is doing to us.
But its not stopping me from eating the shit, just sayin.
I watched a program about this not too long ago. They were saying that even today its not unheard of to get 5%-6% more yield per acre year to year. And thats on top of the 300%-400% they already have gotten so far.
So these plants are not the same plants from long ago. Whose to say that they are not the cause of a whole plethora of medical issues just for the simple fact that they are genetically altered. No science to back this up, just saying. They can breed in traits from other plants like being insect and disease tolerant, whose to say WTF this shit is doing to us.
But its not stopping me from eating the shit, just sayin.
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Might as well say that people getting sick from grain are praying to the wrong god. Just sayin!
BTW, think we haven't fucked with animal breeds just as much?
Except they did. Google it, or go back a few of my posts and check the study. Living to 72 withno medical technology of any kindjust isn't something that happened once we turned to agriculture. Even the median age (35.4) went down (33.5) till the Bronze age, so 7,000 years of not living as long as they used to. And of course once you get into the bronze age there are even more complicating factors about why median age may have gone back up. You guys have fun ignoring facts, I guess?
We live longer now, we don't eat the Paleo Diet, your entire argument is wrong. People today who eat grains and vegetables have a longer life expectancy than those who eat red meat, your entire argument is wrong. I GUESS LIKE LIKE IGNORING FACTS DERP
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No one is much claiming that they lived shorter life spans. Well, generally they did. Nasty brutish and short. But the potential life span of the animal hasn't changed so much. Median ages in that context honestly mean jackshit. They're interesting to study in relation to disease and warfare and technology, and the overall progress of the organism, and they may even beinterestingto study in relation to nutrition (as a subset of the previous three). But they're just kind of interesting.
If you were really going to use the median age as the one most important determining factor in thinking about nutrition it shouldn't be a paleo diet which seems sexy... it should be an all rRNA foods all the fucking time diet. Median ages have gone up quite a bit. In fact, fuck food at all. Fuck the colon entirely. After all it is the one organ you can do without. Fuck it right in the colon ass. Mainline gruel that's made in a laboratory -- that's the path to healthy living.
Honestly, median age is some cherry picking bullshit.
If you were really going to use the median age as the one most important determining factor in thinking about nutrition it shouldn't be a paleo diet which seems sexy... it should be an all rRNA foods all the fucking time diet. Median ages have gone up quite a bit. In fact, fuck food at all. Fuck the colon entirely. After all it is the one organ you can do without. Fuck it right in the colon ass. Mainline gruel that's made in a laboratory -- that's the path to healthy living.
Honestly, median age is some cherry picking bullshit.
Sigh. Again, feel free to Google it. We lived longer before agriculture. It isn't like I am anything but the messenger here, but sure, feel free to ignore the entire field of Anthropology and all its arguments and conclusions.
Robb Motherfucking Wolf is so elite that he doesn't even need to provide support for his own argument. He just tells you to google that shit.
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Caveman confessions: Yesterday I had 3 pieces of pizza. It was home made pizza if that matters.
I felt like crap afterwards. Coincidence? or irrefutable evidence of the scientifically ironclad superiority of cutting grains? I think you all know the answer.
I felt like crap afterwards. Coincidence? or irrefutable evidence of the scientifically ironclad superiority of cutting grains? I think you all know the answer.