Paleo 101: How and why you should eat like a Caveman

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Itlan

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I eat a lot of sauteed and creamed spinach. Fucking delicious!

As far as salads go, I generally use those medley mixes, "garden spring" I think it's called? I don't even know what I'm eating to be honest, but it's all delicious.

I will say grilled chicken, fresh mozz, roasted red peppers, and arugula/spinach with balsamic vinaigrette on a sandwich is solid. Only thing that kills is the bread.
 

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Deadly, deadly breads.

I wish I had a way to preserve fire roasted peppers for every day use. God damn I love them so much.
 

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I have some leftover garlic cheese bread lurking sinisterly in the refrigerator. I shall sacrifice myself to save my family. Farewell. /salute
 

Dashel

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Some guy on food network, some big shot food critic with his head up his own ass, was saying that the nutritional value of baby spinach is virtually nothing when raw, and that you have to actually cook it to denature the proteins or some shit, idk. I haven't been able to find any real info that backs that up though.
Huh never heard this. In any case that spinach is cooked, but I also use it in salads sometimes with my Romaine lettuce and other stuff.

As far as over cooking, it cooks so quick I generally am able to get it so it's just wilted and not mush.
 

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So it seems that actual clinical trial data has been found from the 60's:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryhus...ry-fat-debate/

Changing from Saturated fat to the Polyunsaturated fats did in fact reduce cholesterol but.... the people who switched had higher rates of cardiovascular and heart disease, and died earlier of "all causes"

Article_sl said:
One trial that actually tested the hypothesis was the Sydney Diet Heart Study, which ran from 1966 through 1973. In the trial, 458 men with coronary disease were randomized to a diet rich in linoleic acid (the predominant omega 6 PUFA in most diets) or their usual diet. Although total cholesterol was reduced by 13% in the treatment group during the study, all-cause mortality was higher in the linoleic acid group than in the control group. However, in the original publications, and consistent with the practice at the time, deaths from cardiovascular (CVD) and coronary heart disease (CHD) deaths were not published.

Now, in a new paper published in BMJ, Christopher Ramsden and colleagues report that they were able to recover and analyze data from the original magnetic tape of the Sydney Diet Heart Study. The new mortality findings are consistent:

All cause: 17.6% in the linoleic group versus 11.8% in the control group, HR 1.62, CI 1.00-2.64)
CV disease: 17.2% versus 11%, HR 1.70, CI 1.03-2.80
CHD: 16.3% versus 10.1%, HR 1.74, CI 1.04-2.92

The investigators then used this data to perform an updated meta-analysis and found similar but nonsignificant trends for overall mortality and for cardiovascular disease and coronary heart disease mortality. They concluded that their findings "could have important implications for worldwide dietary advice to substitute" polyunsaturated fatty acids for saturated fatty acids.

In an accompanying editorial, Philip Calder agrees:

These findings argue against the "saturated fat bad, omega 6 PUFA good" dogma and suggest that the American Heart Association advisory that includes the statement "higher [than 10% of energy] intakes [of omega-6 PUFAs] appear to be safe and may be even more beneficial"may be misguided.
 

Itlan

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It was debunked awhile ago that saturated fats are necessarily bad for you.

I drink whole milk, eat cheese, eat steak, etc. Seriously people, just balance what the fuck you eat. Too much protein is bad for you! Too much of ANYTHING is bad. Again -- BALANCE.
 

Dashel

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Speaking of balance. I've been watching this guy's Youtube channel stuff:http://www.youtube.com/user/IceCream...?feature=watch

He's not a paleo fan. I believe he falls under what would be called IIFYM (if it fit's your macros) and preaches balance too. He goes by simply making sure you get enough protein, and then it all comes down to calories. So you can eat ice cream and pizza, so long as you're also eating good food to hit your protein and you get below calorie maintenance for fat loss, or above for gains.

I dont know how accurate he is but I like hearing his take on things.

As for me: Down from 202 to 190 as of yesterday. Still going slow and steady and no hunger issues. Numbers are still there at the gym so hopefully I'm only losing fat.
 

Itlan

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Near impossible to lose only fat, just warning you. You're undoubtedly losing SOME muscle. Just like when you eat excess calories, you don't gain only muscle, you'll gain fat as well.

As for the whole macro/micro balance, it has it's merits, but it doesn't care much about nutritional value, it's simply a matter of sticking to a strict caloric intake. It works, undoubtedly, because that's how our bodies operate. You can lose weight doing nothing but eating hot dogs, pizza, and ice cream... but do you really want to?
 

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At this point I can live with losing a little muscle but obviously I'd want to minimize it. I gained 30 pounds in my bulk but I have no idea how much was muscle. If it was 10+ lbs I'll be thrilled, I'll settle for 6.
 

Itlan

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You can obviously minimize losses. I'm sure you're fine if you're not suffering from fatigue in the gym, but that may set in later.
 

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It was debunked awhile ago that saturated fats are necessarily bad for you.

I drink whole milk, eat cheese, eat steak, etc. Seriously people, just balance what the fuck you eat. Too much protein is bad for you! Too much of ANYTHING is bad. Again -- BALANCE.
Actually its been pretty much proven with long term studies that eating too much beef will shorten your life...

Archives of Internal Medicine_sl said:
Researchers compared the eating habits and health status of 322,263 men and 223,390 women enrolled in the NIH-AARP Diet and Health Study, starting in 1995; participants were 50 to 71 years old when they signed up. The people who reported eating the most red meat ate more than eight 3- to 4-ounce servings a week, while the people on the low end ate about a serving a week. Over the next 10 years, the men who ate the most red meat had a 31 percent greater risk of death than the men who ate the least amount. The women who ate the most red meat faced a 36 percent increase when compared to the women in the low red meat-eating group.
Not sure how controlled this study was. I mean it could be that the people which ate more red meat had other bad eating habits too...
 

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Apparently the clinical studies are ridiculously expensive, which is why you dont see many controlled studies. Anything with that many people it's observational/epidemiological. Given the years involved, when all the rage was telling people red meat would kill you, it stands to reason that health concerned people would probably have eaten less red meat. Just being "health conscious" is enough to offset any benefits or detriment of actually eating the meat.

Similar results were found with women taking estrogen. They thought it helped women based on a huge observational study, but turned out it was actually bad for women's health when they did a controlled clinical trial on it. Women who were health conscious were more likely to take estrogen because they were told (and believed) it was good for them.
 

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I had some lamb chops last night at a place called Grille 66 in Ft. Lauderdale. If those shortened my life, I'm ok with it. In fact, I won't mind shaving a few more years off.
 

Dashel

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Interesting article here:

Enjoy Saturated Fats, They're Good for You!

It's long but two quick things, first was Crisco which I had totally forgotten about but I remember my mom using this when I was a kid:

Crisco

A hundred years ago less than one in one hundred Americans were obese and coronary heart disease was unknown. Pneumonia, diarrhea and enteritis, and tuberculosis were the most common causes of death. Now, a century later, the two most common causes of death are coronary heart disease and cancer, which account for 75 percent of all deaths in this country. There were 500 cardiologists practicing in the U.S. in 1950. There are 30,000 of them now - a 60-fold increase for a population that has only doubled since 1950.

In 1911, Procter and Gamble started marketing Crisco as a new kind of food. The name Crisco is derived from CRYStalized Cottonseed Oil. It was the first commercially marketed trans fat. Crisco was used to make candles and soap, but with electrification causing a decline in candle sales, Procter and Gamble decided to promote this new type of fat as an all-vegetable-derived shortening, which the company marketed as a "healthier alternative to cooking with animal fats." At the time Americans cooked and baked food with lard (pork fat), tallow (beef and lamb fat), and butter. Procter and Gamble published a free cookbook with 615 recipes, from pound cake to lobster bisque, all of which required Crisco. The company succeeded in demonizing lard, and during the 20th century Crisco and other trans fat vegetable oils gradually replaced saturated animal fats and tropical oils in the American diet.
 

Dashel

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The other is Ancel Keys lipid hypothesis:

Article_sl said:
Evidence Against the Lipid Hypothesis

Feeding Cholesterol to Omnivores Does Not Cause Atherosclerosis

Plants do not contain any cholesterol. Animals are the only source of cholesterol, and herbivores do not eat animal products. Rabbits, being a herbivore, are not designed to digest animal fat and cholesterol, so when it is fed high doses of cholesterol one should not be surprised if the cholesterol winds up getting stuck in any part of the poor rabbit, including its blood vessels. Feeding high doses of fat and cholesterol to omnivores, like rats and dogs, does not produce atherosclerotic lesions in them.

Other Countries with CHD-Death and Fat Consumption Data

Evidence against fat wilts upon close scrutiny. In his Six Country Study, Ancel Keys ignored data available from 16 other countries that did not fall in line with his desired graph. If he had chosen these six other countries [on the left side], or even more strikingly, these six countries [on the bottom right] he could have shown that increasing the percent of calories from fat in the diet reduces the number of deaths from coronary heart disease.
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If Keys had included all 22 countries in his study, the result would have been a clutter of dots like this.

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In fact, it turns out that people who have highest percentage of saturated fat in their diets have the lowest risk of heart disease.
 

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It seems like you're trying to convince yourself at this point...

Be interesting to see what a blood test would show now and say 6 months from now if you continue eating this way.
 

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Oh I'm convinced eating this way is good, I'm just not sure if eliminating the things like grains, dairy and legumes is necessary. I'm more than a month in and lost 12 pounds, I just PR'd my Press at the gym last week, feel good and finding it very easy to stay compliant without having any crazy hunger problems or going off the rails.
 
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Oh I'm convinced eating this way is good,I'm just not sure if eliminating the things like grains, dairy and legumes is necessary.I'm more than a month in and lost 12 pounds, I just PR'd my Press at the gym last week, feel good and finding it very easy to stay compliant without having any crazy hunger problems or going off the rails.
The entire premise of "eating this way".

To quote Furor, you are a "Gold Medal Winning Special Olympian"