Paleo 101: How and why you should eat like a Caveman

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Dashel

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The US government for one. MyPlate:http://www.choosemyplate.gov/food-gr...als-DG2010.pdf

Pizza, french toast, pancakes, pasta, canola oil. Not even taking into account 'low fat' everything, margarine and whole wheat breads which regardless of how you feel about grains are heavily processed and have a lot of sugar in them.

It might be realistic for an average American but it's not exactly setting the bar high. Good luck sticking to 2000 calories eating that stuff.
 
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You are so fucking stupid. Who *doesn't* preach eating fresh, whole, diverse foods? I've never seen a diet state "You should only eat processed, shelf-stable foods of one variety. Ever." (except for fucking slimfast or whatever retarded shit who makes TV dinners for fat retards that are so stupid that that's the best they can do.)
http://www.myhealthnewsdaily.com/869...ce-110124.html

Read some of those, who knew Jack LaLanne was paleo!?!
 

Aychamo BanBan

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I just got this in my email from New England journal of medicine, it's a summary of a study that will be in the current/future issue:

Cardiovascular Disease and a Mediterranean Diet
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Primary Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease with a Mediterranean Diet
R. Estruch and Others

A systematic review ranked the Mediterranean diet as the most likely dietary model to provide protection against coronary heart disease. Small clinical trials have uncovered plausible biologic mechanisms to explain the salutary effects of this food pattern. We designed a randomized trial to test the efficacy of two Mediterranean diets (one supplemented with extra-virgin olive oil and another with nuts), as compared with a control diet (advice on a low-fat diet), on primary cardiovascular prevention.

Clinical Pearls
What are the characteristics of a traditional Mediterranean diet?
The traditional Mediterranean diet is characterized by a high intake of olive oil, fruit, nuts, vegetables, and cereals; a moderate intake of fish and poultry; a low intake of dairy products, red meat, processed meats, and sweets; and wine in moderation, consumed with meals.

What were the primary results in this study, which evaluated the magnitude of reduction in cardiac risk due to the Mediterranean diet supplemented with either extra-virgin olive oil or nuts in a high-risk population?
In this trial, an energy-unrestricted Mediterranean diet supplemented with either extra-virgin olive oil or nuts resulted in an absolute risk reduction of approximately 3 major cardiovascular events per 1000 person-years, for a relative risk reduction of approximately 30%, among high-risk persons who were initially free of cardiovascular disease. The median follow-up period was 4.8 years. A total of 288 primary-outcome events occurred: 96 in the group assigned to a Mediterranean diet with extra-virgin olive oil (3.8%), 83 in the group assigned to a Mediterranean diet with nuts (3.4%), and 109 in the control group (4.4%).

Table 3. Outcomes According to Study Group.

Morning Report Questions
Q. Which individual components of the primary endpoint differed between study and control groups?
A. The results of multivariate analyses showed a similar protective effect of the two Mediterranean diets versus the control diet with respect to the primary end point, which was a composite of myocardial infarction, stroke, and death from cardiovascular causes. Regarding components of the primary end point, only the comparisons of stroke risk reached statistical significance. The risk of stroke was reduced significantly in the two Mediterranean-diet groups. This is consistent with epidemiologic studies that showed an inverse association between the Mediterranean diet or olive oil consumption and incident stroke.

Q. What do the authors propose as the dietary components that most likely were responsible for the observed benefits?
A. Salient components of the Mediterranean diet reportedly associated with better survival include moderate consumption of ethanol (mostly from wine), low consumption of meat and meat products, and high consumption of vegetables, fruits, nuts, legumes, fish, and olive oil. The interventions were intended to improve the overall dietary pattern, but the major between-group differences involved the supplemental items. Thus, extra-virgin olive oil and nuts were probably responsible for most of the observed benefits of the Mediterranean diets. Differences were also observed for fish and legumes but not for other food groups.
 

Dashel

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I feel like this is the ultimate statement that shows you have no idea what you're talking about.
I can only imagine how you're interpreting that. If you'd like to discuss satiety,feeling full and empty calories pleaseput me in my place. Or just drop vague statements in the hopes you'll be perceived as smart.

Aychamo_sl said:
Q. What do the authors propose as the dietary components that most likely were responsible for the observed benefits?
A. Salient components of the Mediterranean diet reportedly associated with better survival include moderate consumption of ethanol (mostly from wine), low consumption of meat and meat products, and high consumption of vegetables, fruits, nuts, legumes, fish, and olive oil. The interventions were intended to improve the overall dietary pattern, but the major between-group differences involved the supplemental items. Thus, extra-virgin olive oil and nuts were probably responsible for most of the observed benefits of the Mediterranean diets. Differences were also observed for fish and legumes but not for other food groups.
As far as differences they say "not for other food groups" but I wonder if that includes sugar intake. Mediteranian they classify as "low in sweets" but I didnt catch if they said the same for the low fat control. The ethanol / wine comment made me laugh. They like to bring that one out whenever they discuss heart disease rates in France.
 

Aychamo BanBan

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Yes. You've repeatedly demonstrated in this thread that you have a superior intellect with an unparalleled ability to interpret scientific literature. Nobody can engulf false information from YouTube better than you, sir.
 

Gravel

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I can only imagine how you're interpreting that. If you'd like to discuss satiety,feeling full and empty calories pleaseput me in my place. Or just drop vague statements in the hopes you'll be perceived as smart.
The 2000 calorie diet is a completely arbitrary number. The FDA wanted to put a "percentage of daily values" on nutritional information, and they ended up at 2000. From what little research I just did, it sounds like they really wanted to go with a more realistic average (median? who the fuck knows) of 2,350, but they thought that'd lead to people overconsuming. Give the masses a lower number and when they eat more than that it'll actually be closer to their actual caloric needs.

But that's just the FDA's number. The fact of the matter is, caloric needs vary from person to person depending on lean body mass, activity level, and goals. I know personally I need about 2700 calories just tomaintainmy weight. And I'm by no means a large person. When you say "good luck sticking to 2000 calories [eating typical American foods]" it makes you sound like someone who has absolutely no clue about nutrition. Unless you're a 130 pound woman or a child, you probably don't need only 2000 calories. Really, there's absolutely nothing correct in you saying "2000 calories" when the sentence before you were shitting on the US government (FDA) guidelines. Hypocritical, misinformed, misguided.

You seem like the type of person who knows just enough to sound smart to the uninformed. Dunning-Kruger seems appropriate. I suggest you do more research into nutrition before recommending anything to anyone.
 

Dashel

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But that's just the FDA's number. The fact of the matter is, caloric needs vary from person to person depending on lean body mass, activity level, and goals. I know personally I need about 2700 calories just tomaintainmy weight.
Ok that was good. You almost got me.
 
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Seems pretty common sense to me that the 2000 calorie daily intake thing isn't one size fits all. I know in the military the MRE's would have like 1200 + calories in them for one meal.


Here is the reference for the 2000 calorie standard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_Daily_Intake


I skimmed it quickly and I believe it says the 2000 calories only pertains to about 50% of the population.

I don't really buy into the diet things though. If you are overweight eat less and move / work more.

All the fancy diets they come out with every few years are just an excuse for people to pretend like they are trying to lose weight imo.
 

Itlan

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I was eating like 6000 calories a day in college. I've tapered off a bit, but I'm still usually well over 2000.
 

chaos

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A guy at work who is morbidly obese went to some calculator online and it states that he would need about 2900 calories just to maintain his weight.
 
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I can tell you for a fact it's possible to lose weight and eat fast food etc.

I gained a lot of weight when I got out of the military, but just watching calories and working out you can still burn it off.

There isn't any magic pill to losing weight. Just eat some what smart and don't sit on your butt all day.
 

Df~_sl

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I decided I wasn't getting enough fruits and veggies to make me happy... so I bought a cheap blender (Magic bullet for 12 dollars) and am now turning fruits and veggies into puree and consuming that (not sure if its drinking or eating or whatever). I do that for breakfast lunch and after lunch snack while still eating a "regular" dinner. Having my stomach get used to it was interesting... but its all gravy now.
 

Df~_sl

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You can hide the not so tasty yet healthy stuff behind the fruit flavors better...

So that 150g of raw spinach ends up tasting like pineapple banana
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