Paleo 101: How and why you should eat like a Caveman

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Aychamo BanBan

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In support of this. One study rarely amounts to anything. A few studies rarely amount to anything. Consider looking at the amount of studies with positive, negative, neutral/equivocal findings. Really, evaluating the sampling, methodological rigor, level of analysis, effect size, and the general body of literature are just a good start. Karl Popper/Thomas Kuhn would also be a worthwhile read.
The thing that always annoys me is when they study something that likely has zero physiological effect, and there is noa priorireason to believe it should, but they'll look at something like 20 different outcomes, and when one of them is statistically significant (even if its clinically insignificant) they'll advertise on how xxx is amazing for this (useless outcome.) When we accept that a p value of 0.05 or less is significant, there is at least a 1 in 20 chance that the outcome being investigated could be falsely significant, so when they look at 20 or so outcomes, it's highly likely that one will be found to be significant! ("Oh look, farting twice before dinner increases heart rate variability by 5% at 9 months!")
 

Dashel

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Its not about my being nice or not. It's like Andy Dick calling Jim Wendler a weak little pussy, why would you take that seriously?

In any case I've added oatmeal back to my list of foods to eat. I cant do eggs all the time and I seem to be fine with Oatmeal. Rice too but in moderation. I do look at bread as a shitty food though now, I try to avoid it as much as possible. Overall this has been a good experience for me. I see the appeal.

Not sure if I posted it but they have a paleo delivery service now that I'm gonna try out:

https://kettlebellkitchen.com/

Expensive though.

P.S. Another good reason to go to a Crossfit:

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Aychamo BanBan

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New study
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http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/vao...l/nm.3145.html

Intestinal microbiota metabolism of choline and phosphatidylcholine produces trimethylamine (TMA), which is further metabolized to a proatherogenic species, trimethylamine-N-oxide (TMAO). We demonstrate here that metabolism by intestinal microbiota of dietary l-carnitine, a trimethylamine abundant in red meat, also produces TMAO and accelerates atherosclerosis in mice. Omnivorous human subjects produced more TMAO than did vegans or vegetarians following ingestion of l-carnitine through a microbiota-dependent mechanism. The presence of specific bacterial taxa in human feces was associated with both plasma TMAO concentration and dietary status. Plasma l-carnitine levels in subjects undergoing cardiac evaluation (n = 2,595) predicted increased risks for both prevalent cardiovascular disease (CVD) and incident major adverse cardiac events (myocardial infarction, stroke or death), but only among subjects with concurrently high TMAO levels. Chronic dietary l-carnitine supplementation in mice altered cecal microbial composition, markedly enhanced synthesis of TMA and TMAO, and increased atherosclerosis, but this did not occur if intestinal microbiota was concurrently suppressed. In mice with an intact intestinal microbiota, dietary supplementation with TMAO or either carnitine or choline reduced in vivo reverse cholesterol transport. Intestinal microbiota may thus contribute to the well-established link between high levels of red meat consumption and CVD risk.
I haven't read it in it's entirety yet. But it improves our understanding of why red meat leads to increased cardiovascular disease.
 

Dashel

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This won't bait Douchel into an argument because the New York Times hasn't written an article about it yet for him to copy and paste from.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/he...anted=all&_r=0

That, at least, was the theory. So the question that morning was: Would a burst of TMAO show up in people's blood after they ate steak? And would the same thing happen to a vegan who had not eaten meat for at least a year and who consumed the same meal?

The answers were: yes, there was a TMAO burst in the five meat eaters; and no, the vegan did not have it. And TMAO levels turned out to predict heart attack risk in humans, the researchers found. The researchers also found that TMAO actually caused heart disease in mice. Additional studies with 23 vegetarians and vegans and 51 meat eaters showed that meat eaters normally had more TMAO in their blood and that they, unlike those who spurned meat, readily made TMAO after swallowing pills with carnitine.
So there you go, it's science. Red meat will kill you. Stop eating it until the next study.
 

Dashel

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I haven't read it in it's entirety yet. But it improves our understanding of why red meat leads to increased cardiovascular disease.
So i can put you on board with the saturated fat and cholesterol talk was all paranoia now? If so then I will agree with improved understanding.

In fact, these scientists suspected that saturated fat and cholesterol made only a minor contribution to the increased amount of heart disease seen in red-meat eaters.
Or perhaps you meant the "little-studied chemical" TMAO that they found an association with. Little studied chemical with non causal relationship isnt very impressive to me. I would be interested to hear if you consider going vegan now though.
 

Tuco

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I'm not educated enough to understand that abstract. Is it saying that our body metabolizes carnitine into a substance that, with enough quantity (easily provided by eating burgers and steak everyday) will dramatically increase chances for heart problems?
 

Gravel

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Meh. Pretty much everything is killing us. Such is the nature of life. I say fuck it, eat all the red meat you want.
 

chaos

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Yeah, he probably checked the box for having an "active" lifestyle or something. That makes a huge difference. The difference between sedentary and active can be 50% more calories for maintenance. Thing is, probably less than 10% of the population is actually "active" enough to justify that.

No, I watched him do it, he picked sedentary. I don't know how accurate those things are, but I don't see why it is unbelievable to think that a 350+ pound dude needs 2900 calories per day to maintain.
 

chaos

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I had Kobe beef with a lettuce "bun" with cheddar and avocado for lunch.

Am I a paleo-ite?
I never understood Kobe burgers. The Kobe beef is unique due to the fat striations throughout the meat. So you take that and grind that up... and what is the difference between that and 80/20 ground sirloin? I really don't see it, but I don't have a caveman to explain it to me either.
 

Gravel

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No, I watched him do it, he picked sedentary. I don't know how accurate those things are, but I don't see why it is unbelievable to think that a 350+ pound dude needs 2900 calories per day to maintain.
I was actually thinking 2900 didn't sound like enough to maintain that much weight. But I guess that's apparently pretty close (I did it with 300 lbs though, not knowing how much your friend weighed). I figured a 300 lb dude would have a good 200+ pounds of LBM, which would mean he'd still need a fuck load to maintain.

For a 350 lb guy doing literally dick (sitting around 10 hours a day, resting 14), I have caloric requirements at about 3500 for maintaining weight.

Just seems crazy to me, because I'm 165 and need 2700.
 

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No, I watched him do it, he picked sedentary. I don't know how accurate those things are, but I don't see why it is unbelievable to think that a 350+ pound dude needs 2900 calories per day to maintain.
Fair enough. I'd probably burn a lot more calories if I was carrying around a 160lb backpack all day I suppose.
 

chaos

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I was watching this documentary called Hungry for Change. I didn't know it is made by the same people who made Food Matters or I probably wouldn't have watched it. It was a few facts with a TON of bullshit thrown in. Seriously, pilots aren't allowed to drink diet soda because aspartame has been proven to cause visual problems? No buddy,t hat is bullshit and you're a liar.

There is so much to mine with the actual truth behind our food industry, I have no idea why they would stoop to bullshit. I did like that they railed against the sweeteners in all of the stuff we have. What I don't know what to make of were the claims they made about MSG, how it is in 80% of our processed food and it basically turns on the part of your brain that makes you fat.
 

Aychamo BanBan

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I was watching this documentary called Hungry for Change. I didn't know it is made by the same people who made Food Matters or I probably wouldn't have watched it. It was a few facts with a TON of bullshit thrown in. Seriously, pilots aren't allowed to drink diet soda because aspartame has been proven to cause visual problems? No buddy,t hat is bullshit and you're a liar.

There is so much to mine with the actual truth behind our food industry, I have no idea why they would stoop to bullshit. I did like that they railed against the sweeteners in all of the stuff we have. What I don't know what to make of were the claims they made about MSG, how it is in 80% of our processed food and it basically turns on the part of your brain that makes you fat.
chaos, I'm pretty sure you in fact do know what to make of their claims about MSG. My wife always watches those food "documentaries" and they are so littered with absolute bullshit that we basically get into a fight every time she watches one. When you can't publish, you make a propaganda piece and appeal to the naturalistic-fallacy loving retards who demonize things they don't know anything about. Two of the most studies substances on the planet are aspartame and MSG, and they are completely safe. Their claim about MSG being in 80% of processed foods, well what they may be talking about is free glutamate, which is really in the bulk of foods period (processed or not.) For example, what makes bacon taste so good is the high glutamate concentration, which is the G of MSG (monosodium glutamate, it's just a simple ionic bond between sodium and glutamate that dissociates sometimes before the food ever touches your mouth, or basically immediately upon it touching your tongue). The glutamate in MSG is the exact same glutamate in foods that confer the "umami" (delicious, savory) taste to foods. Wiki has a great article on MSG that covers its history, and also covers some (amusing) studies (ie, in a double blinded study, the only person who "reacted" to MSG was a self-identified MSG-sensitive person, and they were actually given placebo, not MSG.)