Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

Everyone did not dream of a Sony connection. A number of ex Vanguard players won't touch any game associated with SOE because of how they got screwed over by the Sony VG team. People forget that post APW, Vanguard actually came a little ways back from the dead then SOE killed development and the game.

It is good news that SOE/Smed is not involved.

Skanda_sl said:

He should make it FTP with microtransactions. Don't want to make that corpse run? 5 Dollar plz!

Click to expand...

So you were just trolling. Nice.

tad10_sl said:

So you were just trolling. Nice.

Click to expand...

I prefer to think of it as managing expectations. All he's done is show a few pieces of art so far and yet half this thread is, once again, acting like Brad can do no wrong. The Microtransaction quip was just answering stupid with stupid.

Skanda_sl said:

I prefer to think of it as managing expectations. All he's done is show a few pieces of art so far and yet half this thread is, once again, acting like Brad can do no wrong. The Microtransaction quip was just answering stupid with stupid.

Click to expand...

Trolling confirmed.

gogojira_sl said:

To rephrase it because "dream" is the wrong choice of words, there were a lot of hopes (myself included, so I'm not just attacking people) that Brad's SOE connections would be used as tech leverage within SOE. There was definitely the odd "maybe he'll get unused EQ3 assets" and I personally had a misunderstanding of Storybricks.

Click to expand...

Yeah, too bad about SB. But there has to be some other dynamic content middleware they can leverage. As others have suggested would be a good thing if there were some advances to core game play such as a mix of static and dynamic mobs.

tad10_sl said:

Trolling confirmed.

Click to expand...

Suddenly I understand your stupidity in the OMG Tuna thread better. You can't conceive that people could actually disagree with you without them being trolls.

Skanda_sl said:

Suddenly I understand your stupidity in the OMG Tuna thread better. You can't conceive that people could actually disagree with you without them being trolls.

Click to expand...

You're just pissed you can't come up with a better alternative to fully funding EverBrad.

newest rerolled member.....Aradune eboner engaged

ha i think most following this thread knows he signed up yesterday. good for him on planning posting here

Ha he was following the thread already. Not sure how closely but he was following it..

He's probably pretty "apathetic" to a lot of the comments.. right TMac!?

I'm with Tad on the idea Brad could fund it with a kickstarter to get going and selling Alpha access to closed beta and so on , and could either build in the alpha/early access cost high enough to not need monthly subs till launch or charge a small fee monthly. And I'm fully one of the ones bitching at SOE for going the massive corporation kickstarter , but got over it and am awaiting the alpha of EQL to start after buying the alpha package. (side note , that's as much of a statement on the shit state of mmo's today that the EQL alpha has my interest peaked more than most every other pump and dump , easy mode , actiony mmo released lately)

But as far as Brad's goes , original EQ gave me more enjoyment dollar for dollar than any other PC game. Over a period of years at that during what was the peak of PC games for me, with occasional flashes like Myth The Fallen Lords , original Tribes , and a few others , I could always count on I'd enjoy EQ. Followed up with a failed Vanguard today still has me remember overall how much I enjoyed it and it's "world feel" that most mmo's have abandoned.

So in the end , if Brad's announcement points to two critical things for me,

1=Focus on the idea that the virtual world > most every other thing for a fantasy mmo. (Don't take me out of the game for cutscenes , make travel matter , limit instances to none to little and so on )

2=Stick to the "niche" idea. I'm a former 20 something EQ player now in my 40's , family and career, thus a "filthy casual" in some ways , but want it to take me forever to "level" , travel , and a couple hours of enjoying a virtual world nightly and getting little "progress" is fine with me. I've got 1000 other crap hub , instanced mmo's I can login now and level to max in a week, I don't fucking need or want any of those and would like to to take me a year to "max". So make this game for the original EQ/VG crowd who is sick of hearing the "rose colored glasses" shit. It's not rose colored nostalgia , it's that I fucking prefer that kind of game and so do others.

do both of those things , stick with it , and I'll gladly support the kickstarter.

Roberts has shown people will spend tons on space ships , I'll put my money down for a virtual fantasy world.

tad10_sl said:

Yeah, too bad about SB.

Click to expand...

What happened with SB? Arent they just 3rd party software, like Voxel Farm, that you can license?
Their website even has a note about other projects: "We have other unannounced projects that we are working on but we aren't quite ready to talk about yet."

arallu_sl said:

What happened with SB? Arent they just 3rd party software, like Voxel Farm, that you can license?
Their website even has a note about other projects: "We have other unannounced projects that we are working on but we aren't quite ready to talk about yet."

Click to expand...

They're very small and their resources are tied up with SOE. It's not a plug and play tech. You would think there would be other dynamic mob middleware though.

Dahkoht_sl said:

I'm with Tad on the idea Brad could fund it with a kickstarter to get going and selling Alpha access to closed beta and so on , and could either build in the alpha/early access cost high enough to not need monthly subs till launch or charge a small fee monthly.

Click to expand...

I didn't think of it that way, but you're right. Brad can do an either/or - he doesn't have to do one or the other like I was thinking.

Example:
Reward Level of $1000 for FnFAlpha Access with no monthly fee until live, Uber title, Name reservation for live and a very nice starting item.
Reward Level of $750 for FnFAlpha Access with first month free, but $10 monthly fee thereafter. Uber title, Name reservation and same very nice starting item

Reward Level of $500 for BetaOne Access with no monthly fee until live, less uber title, name reservation and nice starting item.
Reward Level of $250 for BetaOne Access, much-less uber title. Name reservation and same nice starting item. First month of BetaOne free, but $10 monthly fee thereafter until live - then $15 dollars (but $5.00 off for every month you paid or something??).

Reward Level of $150 for BetaThree Access with no monthly fee, yada, yada, yada.
Reward Level of $50 for BetaThree Access with First month free but $10 montly thereafter, yada, yada, yada.

You could even build in something like LOTRO's lifetime sub at very high reward level like:

Reward Level of $10,000 or $15,000. FnF Access and a Lifetime sub to the game, never a sub fee, and name a major NPC King/Queen, etc.

Another interesting twist I think he could do to sell more kickstarter packages is not follow the idea that each tier has to be one only. Using your example taking the 250 dollar one , make one like you listed , and another that gives alpha access and nothing else , no name reservation , no special items and so on. There would be some who bought the one you listed , valuing the items and name and happy with starting in early beta , while there likely would be others who purely value getting in as early as possible but not quite enough for the higher level packages that get alpha and the items. There just seems potential to overall get more money with something like that.

ha those early alpha fees are a bit high. I think ultimately you want people feeling they can access the game at an early point. The higher prices could turn people away. $100 is a lot to most people. That should be getting you in alpha imo. People paying $150 don't want to test the last build right before it goes live. Be interesting to see what Brad does in form of entry.

Keep in mind.. There are probably 100-500k people who would be at least interested in this project in it's infant level. That's not to say they will fund a KS but if the entry to open beta is say $25 with early alpha being $100 you might grab a lot more people.

Convo_sl said:

ha those early alpha fees are a bit high. I think ultimately you want people feeling they can access the game at an early point. The higher prices could turn people away. $100 is a lot to most people. That should be getting you in alpha imo. People paying $150 don't want to test the last build right before it goes live. Be interesting to see what Brad does in form of entry.

Keep in mind.. There are probably 100-500k people who would be at least interested in this project in it's infant level. That's not to say they will fund a KS but if the entry to open beta is say $25 with early alpha being $100 you might grab a lot more people.

Click to expand...

There is no way they could handle that amount of people. Remember that optimization is one of the last things that happens with an mmo rollout.

Not only couldn't the (likely) single server handle the number of people who would dive into alpha at the 150 level there also wouldn't be a lot for them to do. Check out project gorgon sometime. The cheap tickets should be beta 3 or later. They can add multiple servers, there will be things to do and they can plan on a long beta period since it'd be a paid beta mostly.

Just my .02

@Dahkoht. Agree they can play with rewards to maximize return.