Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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Brad Mcquaid... Quaid... He's all up in Brad literally! Obviously he would love the man.
This post on the Pantheon forums just makes me shake my head.
Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen - Advanced Forum Detail Topic - 38 Studios still has one employee
I wonder if anyone else there sees some of the comparisons.
Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen - Advanced Forum Detail Topic - 38 Studios still has one employee
I wonder if anyone else there sees some of the comparisons.
Could all be said about Brad too, but they just don't see it despite being so blatantly obvious.
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Ahn'Qiraj Raider
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I get your point, I dont see it as comparable. Curt really wanted a solid company and good game.. He took the time and his own money and went for it.
Brad, put very little money into this and tried to brute force his way to 10 million. There was no attention to detail or a methodical road map. It was such a lazy effort on his part.
Quaid
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Can we please pretend to be rational and objective individuals? Brad never even came close to claiming he was shooting for the success of WoW. The guy was expecting under 7 figures in subs. I think the projected budget of Pantheon when compared to that of 38studios is evidence enough of this. Brad's failings didn't come from 'dreaming too big'... They came from poor research, planning, and execution.
I know there's a couple new people here that seem to not quite 'get it' yet... But this community has always been about straight facts and no-bullshit. Let's try to keep it that way, shall we?
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I am probably in the minority here but I still do not think it's a scam in the sense that he is only doing this so people donate and he plans on taking their money and not producing a game. Brads reputation has gone so far down the rabbit hole that his only hope of pulling it out is if he creates something, anything that is tangible. There's a reason the dude went so long without a check. He' s got to do something to rebuild his legacy. Pantheon right now is his only hope of doing that.
I do not want to come off as a hater, what he did at the end of VG and the beginning of Pantheon was pure shit. That's his karma to overcome, but from this point forward. I hope the dude actually does create some semblance of a video game. It's not looking too good but who knows.
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The word I use is delusional.
This isn't even personal, just an observation of Brad. He's not a leader, he's not an organizer, and he's doesn't have great foresight. Not having those attributes make his chances pretty slim. On top of that, he doesn't learn from mistakes. He has essentially hit his ceiling in the MMO world and it's not high enough to overcome this. He really needs some solid people to take over for him. People are taking over, I'm not sure they are solid. If I had to bet, I'd say, he puts about 20% effort and time into Pantheon on a daily basis, compared to the rest of the team where some are most likely up around 60-70%.
His desperation is part of how this was groomed into being a scam.
Passing off unity assets lego'd together and making a video of to show as your own work for the purpose of asking people to give you money is dishonestly fraudulent.
Making a story that you've taken money from the project as advanced pay then saying later that it was for back pay AND in the same breath asking people to give you money "sooner rather than later" is dishonest and fraudulent.
Showing such desperation for money while you brag about your motorcycle and snap picks for it to post doesnt help either.
Sure some can argue his taking a good portion of the money from faith based devotees for a startup is because he delusionally justifies his needing to maintain a "lifestyle".
But being delusional or not doesn't change its fraudulence any more than speaking to his "legacy" in the ameliorative modifies the reality of its being rather pejorative.
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IMHO he should have stuck with SOE and tried pouring his heart and soul into a project there.
Brad is never going to learn. He had trouble with funding and management with Vanguard and he is having those troubles now. SOE could solve both of those problems and allow him to 'create'. That brings up more questions though...is Brad too proud to 'just' be a lead Dev on a project under Smed at SOE? Does he want to make games that don't align with SOE's "Vision" for what they want to make, for example, SOE wanting to push for more mainstream games and Brad still wants to make somewhat old-school style MMOs? Is Brad not humble enough to work for whatever SOE would pay him and he wants to strike out on his own so that he can get a bigger house and more motorcycles? Or is it as simple as Brad thinking too highly of his own abilities, thought SOE didn't value him enough and he decided that he'd strike out on his own?
I mean, I'm sure that it's pretty damned unlikely that he'd ever make the money that he made from EQ1 again unless he left SOE (again), because I can't see SOE being so generous to Brad as to leave the door open to him making millions with how things are now. But I also can't imagine that he'd be paid a shitty entry level salary at SOE either, and he wouldn't have to bilk KS money to pay his bills.
Brad is never going to learn. He had trouble with funding and management with Vanguard and he is having those troubles now. SOE could solve both of those problems and allow him to 'create'. That brings up more questions though...is Brad too proud to 'just' be a lead Dev on a project under Smed at SOE? Does he want to make games that don't align with SOE's "Vision" for what they want to make, for example, SOE wanting to push for more mainstream games and Brad still wants to make somewhat old-school style MMOs? Is Brad not humble enough to work for whatever SOE would pay him and he wants to strike out on his own so that he can get a bigger house and more motorcycles? Or is it as simple as Brad thinking too highly of his own abilities, thought SOE didn't value him enough and he decided that he'd strike out on his own?
I mean, I'm sure that it's pretty damned unlikely that he'd ever make the money that he made from EQ1 again unless he left SOE (again), because I can't see SOE being so generous to Brad as to leave the door open to him making millions with how things are now. But I also can't imagine that he'd be paid a shitty entry level salary at SOE either, and he wouldn't have to bilk KS money to pay his bills.
The only interesting thing I take from that is it being more evidence of the disjunction in thinking of Canadina and most of the faith based supporters of this project.
She's exactly the kind of person that would be easy prey for tv evangelists and sweatshop telemarketers... which is exactly the type of person Brad seems to want to attract and bleed for money.
I would have sympathy for her simple mindedness, were it not for her disposition.
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Dude... The motorcycle he posted pictures of is worth $7,500.
Also, wtf do you expect of the guy? He can't go out riding for a couple hours?... For what reason? He's working on a project so he gets no leisure time?
Can we criticize the VOLUMES of shit he has done wrong without being totally fucking absurd? Furthermore you have used the term 'ameliorate' every page for the last 3 pages. Each time differently, each time incorrectly.
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Brad is a leech that thinks he's a host... that is until he's caused his host to expire and then realizes he must desperately swim off to find another host.
Yes because 2 houses, multiple sports cars and riding around on a 7k+ bike right smack dab at the time frame you declare the project on hold because there is no more money (because you took 45k) reflects such a sound and sane way to handle your start up and ask people to give you more.
Defending that certainly seems rather absurd.
Pejorative use of a word versus an ameliorative use of a word. In this most recent point, legacy is the word in question. While it typically from a socio-linguistic standpoint (as even pointed out in your wiki search ) is used in a postive way it can be used to signify a negative meaning. Grey was attempting to paint brad's legacy as previously being in the positive or seeking to ameliorate contextually the legacy's meaning from a more pejorative one.
I didn't misuse the terms linguistically from their prescriptive or descriptive discourse usages. Its rather absurd that you're trying to make that an issue.
Quaid
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No. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how those two words are supposed to be used. You do not sound intelligent when you use them (repeatedly) incorrectly. So just fucking stop. The same goes for your misuse/misunderstanding of legal terms such as 'misappropriation'.Pejorative use of a word versus an ameliorative use of a word. In this most recent point, legacy is the word in question. While it typically from a socio-linguistic standpoint is used in a postive way it can be used to signify a negative meaning. Grey was attempting to paint brad's legacy as previously being in the positive or seeking to ameliorate contextually the legacy's meaning from a more pejorative one.
I didn't misuse the terms linguistically from their prescriptive or descriptive discourse usages. Its rather silly that you're trying to make that an issue.
You sound like a fucking 17 year old submitting an essay in English class that he didn't read the book for.
Quaid
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I don't even think I'm being much of a Nazi... The shit is borderline unreadable.
He should get a job with The Lore Four and write for Pantheon.
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If you're going to talk shit about his wealth-while-begging-money, it's your pejorative to bring up a $7,000 bike, but it ameliorates your argument and makes you look absurd and partisan.Yes because 2 houses, multiple sports cars and riding around on a 7k+ bike right smack dab at the time frame you declare the project on hold because there is no more money (because you took 45k) reflects such a sound and sane way to handle your start up and ask people to give you more.
Defending that certainly seems rather absurd.
Pejorative use of a word versus an ameliorative use of a word. In this most recent point, legacy is the word in question. While it typically from a socio-linguistic standpoint (as even pointed out in your wiki search ) is used in a postive way it can be used to signify a negative meaning. Grey was attempting to paint brad's legacy as previously being in the positive or seeking to ameliorate contextually the legacy's meaning from a more pejorative one.
I didn't misuse the terms linguistically from their prescriptive or descriptive discourse usages. Its rather absurd that you're trying to make that an issue.
Im still waiting for you to explain how the terms were not used correctly. All you've done is link a wiki definition that I showed supported what I said as opposed to contradicting it.