Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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tyen
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Database editor with wiki-style editing for quest/database creation. Moderator approves shit.
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Exactly. Put out the concept art, put out the assets, give them goals, let them go to work. And yeah, the winner can get a year of free game time and maybe some other neat shit. Weaponize the shit out of that autism.
Add to the fact that these people will be doing this out of passion. I bet you'd see some amazing shit.
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Arden
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Absolutely agree that the players shouldn't know everything. Keep plenty of info under the hood. Let the guessing turn into rumors and the rumors turn into legends. It was the unknown and guessed at that made Norrath seem so big and daunting. The days of knowing the exact impact and numeric value of everything in game have ruined the mystique- as you said. Having all that info out there made it too much about number crunching and spreadsheets. It also greatly impacts your ability as a player to discover cool and interesting things about mechanics/spells/items etc that may not be advertised.
Back to the scaling thing-- I think the world should be the world, period. Item X should look the same to me as it does to you. The environment should never "read" my "level" and change itself based a metric like that. Item scaling is just one example, but it's ultimately a slippery slope that leads down the path to a lot of other undesirable things that go against the philosophy of eliminating artificially restrictive mechanics.
I'll give you an example, item scaling is in the vein of "trivial loot code." Trivial loot code is a few steps away from instancing, which is just a few steps away from playing a single player game. An mmo world should be static, constant, and reliably the same for everyone.
I think it's probably fair to say there are occasions where you are forced to restrict content to certain players. But I also think those restrictions should be extremely rare, and should come in the way of character limitations, rather than environmentally responsive limitations.
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zzeris
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I agree to a point about a static world. This means a knight should be able to tank every single thing a warrior does. Maybe in a different way, but the ability to tank should not be different. Same with DPS vs DPS, heal vs heal. I don't agree that one thing is a few steps away from another thing and then suddenly you are playing a single player game. That's a simplistic take. Blizzard has a robust single player at the behest of its players. While instances reduce the ability to immerse oneself, it does not lead to single player. I'm not promoting instances because I like the wide open dungeons but that statement was a bit wrong.
Most game designers don't want OP items affecting their ability to produce new content at a decent pace. That is why item scaling, loot level, etc are in games today. I doubt Brad goes back to early EQ itemization. EQ was based on D&D which didn't push for OP itemization in their RP game either. The need to feel like a God should be fulfilled by just going back to a newbie area and crushing mobs there, not twinking your low-level turd to preen around newer players(or other peacocks).
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Yeah. And nothing even came close. I was super pissed off because I was a Druid and in beta and for a while after release, our Hybernate spell was bugged so you could cast it on anything. So I was almost as good as a psi because I could mez a mob, while healing and doing damage. It was awesome. But then they fixed Hybernate to only work on animals which was like 0.1% of group content. All the archetypes were pretty well balanced but Psi was a winner by miles.
ZyyzYzzy
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Because EQ wasn't a great and many mechnaics were sophomoric?
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Fyff
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I want 75% of EQ. What I don't want is to stare at my spellbook while meditating or have to advance my skills if I get a new weapon. New items should help you progress, not be a temporary detriment. Just an example. I hope they get rid of all of the truly archaic things. I have WoW so I don't want WoW. I don't need a quest hub type grind or fast and flashy. I want an updated EQ and updated means getting rid of some of the chaff.
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Reht
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I think most of the people who want this game feel the same way, however there in a small, vicious and overwhelmingly vocal minority over on their boards who want every single mechanic that was in classic EQ to be in Pantheon.
Looking at book to med hasnt been in EQ for like 15 years and isn't in Pantheon fyi.
Also--did they remove skillups from WoW? because I remember having to do that same exact thing there too. Archaic I guess, but not so bad it's going to make the game unplayable.
Some of the unreasonably tedious stuff is being stripped out, while some older mechanics (such as possible CRs, exp loss, etc) are being kept in interest of maintaining the depth of certain things such as death and feeling of danger in the game world.
I realize there's a lot of idiots who want 1:1 EQ Vanilla but they are delusional and will not get their way. The game being is dubbed a spiritual successor with new mechanics (which they are already prototyping), not a clone.
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Scoresby
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I would go a step further and pay people for content that you accept. It can then be a hobby, but one that you can get compensated for if you are good enough. In the end it is still an order of magnitude cheaper than hiring artist and developers to do this full time and the competition / variety you get from making this a viral effort would be great. Not to mention you get buy-in from your community as they were part of making it.
Fyff
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What professional le
Actually it came with Cataclysm, which was only 6 years ago. Heh, still years after I quit though.
Actually it came with Cataclysm, which was only 6 years ago. Heh, still years after I quit though.
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Nope, you're wrong.
Cataclysm Stat & System Changes Revealed
They might have been axed in late WoTLK, whenever the big pre-Cata 4.0 patch came out. But I'd hardly define that as "well before..." For such an avid WoW player, I thought you would know such things.
They seem to just be keeping the good bits of EQ without the over the top tedium. A modern MMO with no minimap, endless quest grind, and mobs that go splat in a few seconds, is really something that hasn't existed since EQ.
ZyyzYzzy
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Weapon skills were in, actually leveling them (ie them not being maxed out automatically) was removed before that breh
No, that's wrong too. They were removed simultaneously.
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Weapon Skill - This stat will be removed from the game completely. Classes will start with all the weapon skills they need to know and will not need to improve them.
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- Patch 3.0.8 (2009-01-20): You can no longer skill up weapons on mobs that are immune to damage.
^^ As you can see by that last patch note, the need to level up skills was still present in WoTLK. So my point still stands, it wasn't 11 years -- it was merely 6-7 years ago. Funny that such an archaic mechanic didn't ruin the peak of WoW. In fact, WoW went on the decline after Cataclysm, maybe removing the need to level up Weapon Skills was the turning point!
On a more serious note, no one is saying that weapon skillups should be in, but playing a game or not should be related to core mechanics. The book-in-face meditate was shit and a common occurrence (it's not in Pantheon). Some uncommon and minor nuisance like leveling Weapon Skill that hardly effects gameplay ever won't make or break a game (and it certainly didn't for WoW).
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ZyyzYzzy
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I stand corrected. Good thing they kept EQs mechanic of needing hours upon hours upon hours to level weapon and spell skills!No, that's wrong too. They were removed simultaneously.
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Cataclysm - Stat Changes | Ancilorn
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Weapon Skill - This stat will be removed from the game completely. Classes will start with all the weapon skills they need to know and will not need to improve them.
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- View attachment 106451 Patch 3.0.8 (2009-01-20): You can no longer skill up weapons on mobs that are immune to damage.
^^ still present in WoTLK.
Funny that such an archaic mechanic didn't ruin the peak of WoW