TJT
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This is precisely the reason games like Dwarf Fortress and Dark Souls are popular and memorable!
Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
This is precisely the reason games like Dwarf Fortress and Dark Souls are popular and memorable!
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Best time I had was on a obscure emu server. Finally got to see all those places and truly explore them one by one from top to bottom. 4 box crew, all mobs had 1/2 hp all PHs were gone and he had teleporters set up that let you TP right into the dungeons. sounds like cake, right? Well maybe compared to EQ live but it was still tough as shit to dungeon crawl through them places, break into camps, etc...
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These are all different parts of the startup puzzle that depend on variables mostly hidden from us. IMO we have too little info and it is much too early for us to speculate on details of what they could/should be charging IMO. As long as someone (hopefully not the war wizard) with a specialization in business and finance planning experience can work out a functional model and construct contingency plans. Any such models should account for for scaling and ramp up their business model sustainably for a period. Such models will be instrumental in helping them obtain seed funding for the expensive asset development for the world content (unless people blindly throw enough money at them I guess like Star Citizen and they try to BS their way through). All this should be happening now while most of the team progresses game development wise.
What prices should they charge for monthly subs? ......
Once you construct a semi functional business model, you can tweak and play with it to see how it scales. Tweak the variables and see how price changes in your market models would affect the returns you need to cover the necessary post release sustainability costs besides development of content. Too much we do not know about their funding and investment structure.
Post Release Issues......
The post relase business model does not need to be anything terribly new or revolutionary. Wow has done a great job of straddling and combining the f2p and subscritpion models. Using a few months worth of f2p level play, effectively just a tutorial for noobies coming in, could serve well as a base model to build from for Pantheon. Provided progression is slowed and gated nicely and not too abruptly. Tiers of subscriptions for progression past tutorial levels should keep the nature of the fair play experience consistant with the spirit of EQ.
Group game focus!......
If pantheon does indeed aspire to be a mostly grouping game, their most important commodity will be player time and presence in the world. Spreading out the players nicely through whatever little content they have for the initial game will be paramount to facilitate grouping well for its playerbase.
Scaling.....
One of Sigils biggest fookups with Vanguard was in trying to release a HUGE world to start, instead of scaling the design organically while focusing on maintaining quality & population density over a smaller amount of content. Actually same as Everquests braindead approach to expansions post Velious. No point in having a gigantic world in a group game if there is nobody around to play with.
Anyhow, any early game bundles should probably offer free months of play beyond tutorial levels to make sure to seed the game with a critical mass of players to properly consume the group content with and to keep the world active and feeling alive.
What prices should they charge for monthly subs? ......
Once you construct a semi functional business model, you can tweak and play with it to see how it scales. Tweak the variables and see how price changes in your market models would affect the returns you need to cover the necessary post release sustainability costs besides development of content. Too much we do not know about their funding and investment structure.
Post Release Issues......
The post relase business model does not need to be anything terribly new or revolutionary. Wow has done a great job of straddling and combining the f2p and subscritpion models. Using a few months worth of f2p level play, effectively just a tutorial for noobies coming in, could serve well as a base model to build from for Pantheon. Provided progression is slowed and gated nicely and not too abruptly. Tiers of subscriptions for progression past tutorial levels should keep the nature of the fair play experience consistant with the spirit of EQ.
Group game focus!......
If pantheon does indeed aspire to be a mostly grouping game, their most important commodity will be player time and presence in the world. Spreading out the players nicely through whatever little content they have for the initial game will be paramount to facilitate grouping well for its playerbase.
Scaling.....
One of Sigils biggest fookups with Vanguard was in trying to release a HUGE world to start, instead of scaling the design organically while focusing on maintaining quality & population density over a smaller amount of content. Actually same as Everquests braindead approach to expansions post Velious. No point in having a gigantic world in a group game if there is nobody around to play with.
Anyhow, any early game bundles should probably offer free months of play beyond tutorial levels to make sure to seed the game with a critical mass of players to properly consume the group content with and to keep the world active and feeling alive.
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kegkilla
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I for one welcome the similarity to EQ. Its been like almost 20 yrs since EQ hit back in late 90s. And most of the 2Ks up till present day were filled with garbage McWoW clones. Maybe the whole EQ type experience should be revisited with a modern more streamlined twist, dont you think? I do.
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kegkilla
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yeah i have zero issues with them making an EQ clone, it makes perfect sense to me. i was just baffled by that guy's response.
Korrupt
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With all those extra hours, you can reform PAIN with Krassus
Fuck that babe, were adults now we'll let some nerds do all the work and well just raid.
Sevens
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If this game launches with very little bugs and runs smoothly, I'd be willing to pay anywhere between $10 and $15 a month.
Dullahan
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Old EQ particle effects were amazing, especially for the time. To this day it remains the most magical looking magic.
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kegkilla
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you know this from all the magic you've seen first hand?
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Skanda
I'm Amod too!
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Convo is their QA. There is zero chance of this happening.
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TJT
Mr. Poopybutthole
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I think this is more about particle effect items being extremely rare in EQ for a very, very long time. So you remembered when you saw one. Whereas WoW went full retard and you could get a beastslaying enchant or whatever for fire effect at like lvl 25.
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I agree. I think the rarity of the items with particle effects is what made them so cool in EQ. I still remember when I got my Glowing Black Stone from Happ Dremblenod (was that her name?). Wasn't exactly particle effects, but that fact that it pulsed made it look bad ass as fuck when you equipped it. I think this circles back to the argument of having meaningful loot in a game, and not having an upgrade drop every twenty minutes.
Glowing Black Stone was from Pyzjin in Qeynos Hills.
Ahhh yes, that's her. Happ was the gnome in Lesser Fay. Thanks, phar.