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Slyminxy

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Anyone on Whispering Lands (EU server) from this forum?

I played in S2, tried a few classes and then rolled a monk, cleric and enchanter in EA.
Enc is currently well close to 24, while the monk and cleric are at 21, since.. clerics and monks are dime-a-dozen, even though a lot of times I see groups struggle because there's lack of either healers or deeps. Or the deeps are just bad.

A tip for all the summoners, your air pet can give you a 5% runspeed buff. Works on you and anyone else. In group or otherwise.
Enchanters can buy Invisiblity and Gate spells from Wizard vendors.
Chevron mobs are still kinda badass even when you're 20 levels higher. If anyone thought they'll be slaughtering chevron thugs when higher level, yeah.. no.

Also, that run from AP ( I refuse to cater to the crowd that says "AVP" for Avendry's Pass) to Eastern Plains (before yesterday, Wizard portals didn't work yet) is quite brutal. Doable at level 1 though.

Edit: Oh yeah, you can solo pretty much all the way to 30 or higher. It's just not as rewarding or easy for all classes compared to grouping.
 
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Qhue

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Any hints on where to get a big staff like that?
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I bought mine from a guy... if you look on Items you can find some info where stuff comes from (but that may be a spoiler depending on how you want to experience the content)

In the past two days I've grouped with people and actually spoken to them more than I have in the past 10 years on WoW... the nature of a 'camp' is so radically different than that of a Wow amusement park Dungeon.
 
Pasteton

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Anyone on khaga? Got a lvl 8 enchanter and also my friends lvl 10 shaman to rez if we get fucked
 
Siliconemelons

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I dont know the specifics and maybe grumpy old man…

But it seems “QoL” abilities come very early…vs eq and even like wow… ports, rez…etc…

Is what it is
 
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Siliconemelons said:
I dont know the specifics and maybe grumpy old man…

But it seems “QoL” abilities come very early…vs eq and even like wow… ports, rez…etc…

Is what it is
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Just punch yourself in the dick every five minutes if you're missing the pain.
 
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In the past two days I've grouped with people and actually spoken to them more than I have in the past 10 years on WoW... the nature of a 'camp' is so radically different than that of a Wow amusement park Dungeon.
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That's definitely a big nature of this game. People talk to each other, pay attention to where they are and what's happening far more than other MMOs. Lots of hate, but also lots of people helping each other out. I always toss out buffs as people run by. Why? Cause I can. People toss them back all the time too.
 
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Rangoth

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That's definitely a big nature of this game. People talk to each other, pay attention to where they are and what's happening far more than other MMOs. Lots of hate, but also lots of people helping each other out. I always toss out buffs as people run by. Why? Cause I can. People toss them back all the time too.
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agreed. This game does encourage that because progressing alone is unpleasant. It encourages community. That part of it I love.

I’m still not a huge fan of class design so far. Maybe I am miscomparing but I think of this as vanguard without suck and vanguard did classes amazingly well. They sucked on content, performance, etc but man they had fun classes.

they 100% need to add a mini/normal map. I don’t care if shit is highlighted or fog of warred or whatever but there MUST be a general map. Especially if it’s a place you’ve been.

otherwise they are pretty close to capturing that “chat room with dragons” feel.
 
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agreed. This game does encourage that because progressing alone is unpleasant. It encourages community. That part of it I love.

I’m still not a huge fan of class design so far. Maybe I am miscomparing but I think of this as vanguard without suck and vanguard did classes amazingly well. They sucked on content, performance, etc but man they had fun classes.

they 100% need to add a mini/normal map. I don’t care if shit is highlighted or fog of warred or whatever but there MUST be a general map. Especially if it’s a place you’ve been.

otherwise they are pretty close to capturing that “chat room with dragons” feel.
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They've said they're going to do a 'static' map like Ember's adrift. It uncovers as you go, and shows major locations but not every little detail. It also doesn't show you where you are, but can at least help you get a feel for the layout of a zone and let you determine where you are by looking for landmarks.
 
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PS1 graphics???

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I’ve heard we might get the first PvP server in February. If so, I’ll probably be rolling there and bringing a bunch of pals.
 
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I’ve heard we might get the first PvP server in February. If so, I’ll probably be rolling there and bringing a bunch of pals.
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Yea. Joppa's been talking about it non-stop. First night I watch a bit of his stream and he's making Tree Form for Druid, talking about its PVP uses, and acting like people arent going to OBVIOUSLY know there is a tree completely out of fkn place in Eastern Plains. But Im sure in TF it'll be good fun.. for someone. I think PVP in a game like this is dumb. But Im not going to knock on its functionality. Dont think I wont duel someone to have a corpse I can get summoned to a deep camp and rezzed. (Where are you COTH?!)

Maybe if they made a basic directory to an asset within the actual zone it belongs to, instead of just the generic TF tree - like.. in Eastern Plains, it pulls up a pink'ish tree instead? That MAY work. But in the areas where there is no vegetation at all? Like just a bunch of rocks? Seems like a waste of a spell at that point. But at least he has SOW and Wolf Form and all that shit done. I said something in chat, but he's inundated with dumbass questions about when Mastery Points will be enabled, why theres no map, whens the next patch, what are you working on (druid, you fucking blind dingus). That, or he recognizes my name from here and purposefully ignores it. He did see someone come into chat with a name similar to Convo Convo 's and about had an orgasm. Thought that was funny at least.
 
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Yea. Joppa's been talking about it non-stop. First night I watch a bit of his stream and he's making Tree Form for Druid, talking about its PVP uses, and acting like people arent going to OBVIOUSLY know there is a tree completely out of fkn place in Eastern Plains. But Im sure in TF it'll be good fun.. for someone. I think PVP in a game like this is dumb. But Im not going to knock on its functionality. Dont think I wont duel someone to have a corpse I can get summoned to a deep camp and rezzed. (Where are you COTH?!)

Maybe if they made a basic directory to an asset within the actual zone it belongs to, instead of just the generic TF tree - like.. in Eastern Plains, it pulls up a pink'ish tree instead? That MAY work. But in the areas where there is no vegetation at all? Like just a bunch of rocks? Seems like a waste of a spell at that point. But at least he has SOW and Wolf Form and all that shit done. I said something in chat, but he's inundated with dumbass questions about when Mastery Points will be enabled, why theres no map, whens the next patch, what are you working on (druid, you fucking blind dingus). That, or he recognizes my name from here and purposefully ignores it. He did see someone come into chat with a name similar to Convo Convo 's and about had an orgasm. Thought that was funny at least.
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My only thought there would be that with the tiny dev team they have, making pvp is literally taking significant dev resources away from the mountain of things the game actually needs.
 
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My only thought there would be that with the tiny dev team they have, making pvp is literally taking significant dev resources away from the mountain of things the game actually needs.
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This.

And not to mention, any game where PvP was not inherently part of the game development, is going to have pretty struggling. Then we'll have nerfs to PvE because of PvP.
 
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Yea. Joppa's been talking about it non-stop. First night I watch a bit of his stream and he's making Tree Form for Druid, talking about its PVP uses, and acting like people arent going to OBVIOUSLY know there is a tree completely out of fkn place in Eastern Plains. But Im sure in TF it'll be good fun.. for someone. I think PVP in a game like this is dumb. But Im not going to knock on its functionality. Dont think I wont duel someone to have a corpse I can get summoned to a deep camp and rezzed. (Where are you COTH?!)

Maybe if they made a basic directory to an asset within the actual zone it belongs to, instead of just the generic TF tree - like.. in Eastern Plains, it pulls up a pink'ish tree instead? That MAY work. But in the areas where there is no vegetation at all? Like just a bunch of rocks? Seems like a waste of a spell at that point. But at least he has SOW and Wolf Form and all that shit done. I said something in chat, but he's inundated with dumbass questions about when Mastery Points will be enabled, why theres no map, whens the next patch, what are you working on (druid, you fucking blind dingus). That, or he recognizes my name from here and purposefully ignores it. He did see someone come into chat with a name similar to Convo Convo 's and about had an orgasm. Thought that was funny at least.
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Joppa’s my bro. We’ve been at this for years. Happy to see so many of you enjoying the game. We (Joppa and I)definitely track this thread. Still lots of work to do but we are following the feedback.
 
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Nirgon

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This.

And not to mention, any game where PvP was not inherently part of the game development, is going to have pretty struggling. Then we'll have nerfs to PvE because of PvP.
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Just put a big fat disclaimer on it that a meta for pvp is gonna develop into "the best solo pvp class" or "best team comp" no matter what you do.

EQ did it right, one "balance pass" to bring down spell damage and make it so you cant take warrior's weapons. Done. The endless arena crap with classes under a microscope is a surefire ticket to ultimately pleasing no one or rotating "the new best thing", then homogenization and bland nonsense to end it all.

I think a full xp loss is going to lead to bind stones getting camped and ppl griefed off (far more than single item and coin, cuz u can bag ur stuff) and the RZ ruleset imo reigns supreme for the people who actually want this kind of experience.

A metaphor if you will. Even hardcore kick boxers dont wanna get kicked in the balls. People want to be hardcore fighters and suffer concussions etc, but if there's kicking in the balls, who is gonna stay in that sport.
 
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Balancing PVP in a game like this is a mistake imo. Let the wolves play the fotm wolf classes. Everyone else that will actually stick around is going to be focused on the guild vs guild territory control aspect and overall finding good fights. If the PVE is well balanced the PVP will fall in line fine IMO
 
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When it has pvp, they should devote no resources to it. Just turn it on and keep developing pve. So many pve games get fucking ruined trying to balance for pvp. Spells that are really only useful for pvp, fine, people just won’t use them in pve. But changing damage, function, etc for pve abilities is a mistake.
 
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