Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

Well I'm in for $45 for now. I may go bigger as we see more or may not, but I felt pressured by my MMO addictive personality to grab a $45 spot before they were all gone. That was good strategy btw, reducing those, spurred me off the fence.

So this is my first post, and now I feel like shit for not linking 100 awesome EQ Guild social media sites. Fuck man, that's a tough act to follow, Jesus.

Anyway, I agree with Tiv in that my love for classic EQ has little to do with youthful nostalgia or popping my MMO cherry, since I was a grown ass man with a full time job and had been playing UO for years before starting EQ in late 99. I just prefer that style of slow paced, resource management focused diku MMO.

Diku is a genre, just as platformers or FPS are, not old or outdated just different, and I believe the same guys who love hardcore games like Dark Souls and DayZ would enjoy an old school hardcore punishing EQ type experience too.

If the game is funded Dellorer better be a god in one of the pantheons. You will owe us that Mr. McQuaid, maybe

JarekStorm_sl said:

Well I'm in for $45 for now. I may go bigger as we see more or may not, but I felt pressured by my MMO addictive personality to grab a $45 spot before they were all gone. That was good strategy btw, reducing those, spurred me off the fence.

So this is my first post, and now I feel like shit for not linking 100 awesome EQ Guild social media sites. Fuck man, that's a tough act to follow, Jesus.

Anyway, I agree with Tiv in that my love for classic EQ has little to do with youthful nostalgia or popping my MMO cherry, since I was a grown ass man with a full time job and had been playing UO for years before starting EQ in late 99. I just prefer that style of slow paced, resource management focused diku MMO.

Diku is a genre, just as platformers or FPS are, not old or outdated just different, and I believe the same guys who love hardcore games like Dark Souls and DayZ would enjoy an old school hardcore punishing EQ type experience too.

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Well look who it is... Hey =)

Rhinohelix_sl said:

Without looking further into it, that means there is going to be a potential pool of backers who now know about the Kickstarter but are put off, either by not knowing enough/the right thing about Pantheon.

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This, I think, is the core issue for many. Not enough information about what is important to that particular individual.

Sounds like a great way to get your camp jumped. Wouldn't a big reward have to be guaranteed to everyone for the risk

Convo_sl said:

It's more like we get it.. Give it a rest lol.. You're dubious of all this.. It's your right

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And you're not, because Brad could sell you a polished turd for 49.95$, and you'd buy it with a smile on your face. After finding out it's actually a turd, you'd offer to fellate him, just for another shot at a QUALITY GAME! We get it, Brad can do no wrong, give it a rest. You fanboys are worse than Ut will ever be, because your belief in these hacks and liars, is what has this industry in the very state you lament about. This is never going to change, until you people start holding these guys accountable for their awful decisions, outright lies, and double-speak. And the only way to do that, is to QUIT GIVING THEM MONEY. Or..you know, don't, and come here to remember the "good 'ole days", after getting sold more false hope.

You're willing to believe a man who has already sold us bullshit once, on blind faith, because you can't let your life of FIFTEEN years ago go. At least the last time he pulled this, he wasn't shilling for handouts. This time, he's actually convinced you people to give HIM money? Oh, that's rich.

Kirun_sl said:

And you're not, because Brad could sell you a polished turd for 49.95$, and you'd buy it with a smile on your face. After finding out it's actually a turd, you'd offer to fellate him, just for another shot at a QUALITY GAME! We get it, Brad can do no wrong, give it a rest. You fanboys are worse than Ut will ever be, because your belief in these hacks and liars, is what has this industry in the very state you lament about. This is never going to change, until you people start holding these guys accountable for their awful decisions, outright lies, and double-speak. And the only way to do that, is to QUIT GIVING THEM MONEY. Or..you know, don't, and come here to remember the "good 'ole
days", after getting sold more false hope.

You're willing to believe a man who has already sold us bullshit once, on blind faith, because you can't let your life of FIFTEEN years ago go. At least the last time he pulled this, he wasn't shilling for handouts. This time, he's actually convinced you people to give HIM money? Oh, that's rich.

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Someone is trolling... In the real world people have real world issue and they even come back and make something of themselves... Go figure?! Gah if only more people had a second chance to turn a wrong into a right? It's obvious you'll never undersand what I'm saying tho. Let's not forget the 9 other guys working on this or does your hate cloud you from realizing this is a team thing??

Rhinohelix_sl said:

The most important thing at this point is getting more backers.

Something else I think is telling is the number of comments, in that Pantheon is getting tons. Without looking further into it, that means there is going to be a potential pool of backers who now know about the Kickstarter but are put off, either by A) not knowing enough/the right thing about Pantheon; B) holding Brad's history against him. I think both can have that reluctance to back worn down with communication over the KS time period. It's one thing to think someone about Brad McQuaid the internet persona; its another to see posts and interact with him via forums/AMA, etc.

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I was a potential backer for reason A. We don't really know much, what we do know is rather meh, and the lack of pre-kickstarter preparation is troubling.

I just decided WTF, it's better than anything else being developed commercially, and at least they're making right noises concerning grouping, interdependence, and risk vs reward. I mean I think they are, I'm not really sure about the details though.

Also, ahoy Zaven, thanks!

mkopec_sl said:

Bullshit is relative, holmes. I bought Vanguard and played it for a year and enjoyed myself immensely. I bought EQ and played it for 6 yrs off and on.

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Yep, i went 6 and 2. I enjoyed them both. My 50 bucks plus monthly fee were all worth it to me. I didnt get ripped off. I played VG and enjoyed it til the upping of levels then i just quit mmo's all together. I tried a few here n there, but nothing passed the 30 day free trial.

Like i have said, a little hope vs no hope at all i can deal with. Plus, i need something for my insomnia at times. It goes and it comes, some night only 3 hours or so of sleep. I could be playing a decent MMO. Right now my insomnia help is 7.99 netflix a month. lol Im plowing through the 242 episodes of Leave it to Beaver!

JarekStorm_sl said:

I was a potential backer for reason A. We don't really know much, what we do know is rather meh, and the lack of pre-kickstarter preparation is troubling.

I just decided WTF, it's better than anything else being developed commercially, and at least they're making right noises concerning grouping, interdependence, and risk vs reward. I mean I think they are, I'm not really sure about the details though.

Also, ahoy Zaven, thanks!

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It's too bad the other project we were testing fell through. Well for now...

Second chances are worth something to some of us, so shut the fuck up Kirun.

The fact you care so much about what others spend their hard earned money on for their own entertainment is hilarious. You tell people they can't let go of 15 years ago (false) but you can't let go of your irrational loathing of Brad etc over pixels made a decade ago.

Get out of your house and go get some fresh air or something.

JarekStorm_sl said:

Well I'm in for $45 for now. I may go bigger as we see more or may not, but I felt pressured by my MMO addictive personality to grab a $45 spot before they were all gone. That was good strategy btw, reducing those, spurred me off the fence.

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Hi! Good call, those are going fast, only 57 left. Same tier I jumped on.

Agree about the genre and play style.

(I need to learn to be more concise. Took an entire wall to say what you, Dahkoht, Jilena and Zaven managed in 1-2 pararaphs. )

Brad I feel you guys would gain alot for little effort by simply optimizing the pledge tiers. I have a background in statistics and event management but I am sure others could do this good and fast also. It would be worth dozens of thousands in backing. I will PM you about this, but here is some suggestions just from a quick glance at the page

Add more Tiers and make existing more enticing for the ones above 800 or so. Also more Physical stuff, many of us still love to have real objects! A couple examples below.

(maybe 1.5k-5k?) A night with the Brad and the Pantheon team, play tabletop RPGS or vidya games, go to dinner whatever ect.. talk about pantheon or other stuff... Maybe pick some dates in advance for this perhaps even schedule a trip to New york to entice more east coast people.

(1k-2k)Come to the Pantheon office, you can show us how you want the NPC you get to design with this tier to look get a super sneak peak/inside info get to ask brad and the devs questions in person on whatever you like.

"meet the boys!" stuff like above is gold, particularly for creative stuff. Some people who are buying or bought the 25--500 tiers will jump to these instead. Two examples above are just to demonstrate the idea.

"collectors editions" Also offer physical copies of the game instead of Digital for more money. Also let backers get names in the credits based on how much they contribute. Look at the rewards for Planescape and try to emulate that!

Signed stuff, perhaps offer concept art and whatever sort of unique stuff you can think of. Signed thank you cards from the team...You have tons of options Brad and stuff like this is only part of optimizing it. tiers should be placed so to get maximum money from everyone who wants to back the project.


Thank You BradFor creating the best gaming or internet experience of my life, I don't really fanboy or even add hype on video games but am making an exception for this. I know others posting/lurking here feel the same!

jilena_sl said:

I have said it before in other threads. The "spiritual successor" to EQ is hands down World of Warcraft. I'm not talking about the game as it stands now, simply vanilla. Hell EQ now isn't even EQ anymore so I can't really blame WoW for taking a different path either. It felt the most like EQ to me in its prime. No other games have even come close to feeling the way EQ and vanilla WoW did. There is a reason both of these games dominated (okay one still dominates) in their prime. VG would be as I mentioned before 3rd on my list. And while it's a pretty distant 3rd its still a damned good ways away from being 4th.

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I think I would say FFXI is a solid third, maybe 2nd. If you ignore the absolutely terrible UI it is quite similar to EQ. The only argument for it not being a "successor" is that it came out about 3 years after EQ while EQ was still going strong. I know the trains of goblins at the zone line always reminded me of KC.

mkopec_sl said:

And im sick of people telling me what I should enjoy.

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Far be it from me to tell you what a moron you are, for perpetuating the current state of the MMO industry, by refusing to hold these liars accountable. You're the one who has to live with yourself. Have fun, fanboys. I look forward to you sad saps, moping around MMORPG general in 5 years, pining for the days of yesteryear, and how it'd be great if somebody would remake EQ...only better!

I'm done here, I'll let you folks get back to your circle jerk. This thread is VERY reminiscent of a certain Vanguard thread, years ago. I wonder how that game turned out...