Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

BoozeCube · Jan 19, 2014

zzeris_sl said:
Going back to the tier discussion, I think adding more $45 pledges was a great idea. 750 was too low and realistically, there's not much further up the chain you can go with a limited reward like that. Games sell for $60 normally so why jump on the KS? Cheaper game, and some very small benefits added on. Jacking the price up while leaving such piddly rewards? Isn't going to help add backers. The diehards will support and at greater prices anyways. KS needs benefits to get other people to jump aboard. This tier is a benefit that is low enough people can look past other issues.

They now need to add more and better rewards.

Yeah still as is stands the $55 tier is pretty much a bust when the $45 one is much better. It's the same at $250 there is very little reason to jump up to the $500 amount.

Zoeii_sl · Jan 19, 2014

gogojira_sl said:
So once it's added nothing can be done? All the more reason to get it right the first time. Tears from tiers.

Everything from here needs to be a carefully orchestrated plan of attack. I fully believe Pantheon can be funded, but it needs to be done with a precise round of attacks to keep new backers coming and get current backers to up their pledge.

Correct, they cannot edit text of the tiers or the price. They know some of the tiers were messed up, but so far they seem to be doing an okay job of trying to fix it. Yeah, the $250 internal tester tier caused some confusion but they cleared it up somewhat quickly. I am already at a higher tier and hate that I cannot get the $250 IT tier and keep my current one as well. Kickstarter should allow pledging at multiple tiers, I believe this one is partly the fault of the limitations of KS. I'd love to have some more testing experience.

zzeris · Jan 19, 2014

Convo_sl said:
I know one person that missed out on the $45 and didn't buy anything else. when they added more he jumped on it so.. Definitely a case where it worked..

Yeah, now we just have to see if there really is a group of people that want this type of game. Eight thousand $100 pledges would get this funded. Or even around sixteen thousand at the $45 tier. Where are the old diehards? I can't believe there isn't sixteen thousand people that would play a game like this. Really kills some of those arguments even if it gets funded in the end.

Zoeii_sl · Jan 19, 2014

Boozecube_sl said:
No kidding, if he's been here lurking long enough you would almost expect some shit from posters. Hell Zoeii you are on your way to people jumping your shit and calling you out as a shill. That being said this forum wouldn't be this forum if everyone wasn't jaded and skeptical. Many of us have been burned by shit game after shit game for ages now, and as much as we moved EQ and supported Vanguard ect.. it's damn hard to buy into MMO's anymore. I used to buy damn near every major MMO release now I am hard pressed to even take a 2nd glance at many of them. Which again is why dropping cash on an idea is a tough sell to many on this board.

Now that being said expect people to ask the same questions over and over because your more casual among us isn't going to research various threads and topics or even go back 40 pages to read whats be listed, and they will get their questions answered even if they get a snide remark or two, but this group isn't rainbows and sunshine. Hell just thinking back to some of the more famous rickshawed threads we are some evil cunts here in this little gaming community.

P.S. There needs to be a NPC who bitches about killing some epic monster and only getting a cloth helm.

No kidding, ifSHE'sbeen here lurking long enough you would almost expect some shit from posters. Hell Zoeii you are on your way to people jumping your shit and calling you out as a shill.

Fixed that for you.

I was defending you, fyi. I welcome anyone to "jump my shit" if it will make their life more fulfilling.

I have been burned just as much as you by the way (SWTOR Collector's Edition...yup, got it, just as one example), but I am still able to show some respect. And don't worry, I can handle myself.

Convo · Jan 19, 2014

zzeris_sl said:
Yeah, now we just have to see if there really is a group of people that want this type of game. Eight thousand $100 pledges would get this funded. Or even around sixteen thousand at the $45 tier. Where are the old diehards? I can't believe there isn't sixteen thousand people that would play a game like this. Really kills some of those arguments even if it gets funded in the end.

I'm a bit surprised too. it's still really early tho.. The support is growing. Wish we knew how many unique views the ks page got.

zzeris · Jan 19, 2014

Boozecube_sl said:
Yeah still as is stands the $55 tier is pretty much a bust when the $45 one is much better. It's the same at $250 there is very little reason to jump up to the $500 amount.

That's all about the tier being a bad deal. This is still a form of purchase where the merchant has to give sufficient value. They need to find a way to 'fix' these bad tiers. The $55 tier will be good around Day 35 if funding is high enough. Then, just getting in is worth slightly worse benefits. Right now, there's no real reason to hit that tier or a few others.

There really should be a unique $2500 or $5000 tier where the person is allowed to design a mob type in game. Higher level tiers where the fans get to help with the game even in limited scope. The guild tiers suck too.

BoozeCube · Jan 19, 2014

zzeris_sl said:
Yeah, now we just have to see if there really is a group of people that want this type of game. Eight thousand $100 pledges would get this funded. Or even around sixteen thousand at the $45 tier. Where are the old diehards? I can't believe there isn't sixteen thousand people that would play a game like this. Really kills some of those arguments even if it gets funded in the end.

You are jumping the gun a little, first off this isn't a game it's a concept. I am sure there would be many more people who would plop down $45.00 today for a game but for something at least a few years off that's a whole different thing to ask of people. That being said also consider the fact that it has only been a couple of days, and there are only so many people visiting forums and threads on a daily basis. Give it some time and help spread the word when you can, the diehards are there but it's not like this is going to get funded over night.

DickTrickle · Jan 19, 2014

zzeris_sl said:
Yeah, now we just have to see if there really is a group of people that want this type of game. Eight thousand $100 pledges would get this funded. Or even around sixteen thousand at the $45 tier. Where are the old diehards? I can't believe there isn't sixteen thousand people that would play a game like this. Really kills some of those arguments even if it gets funded in the end.

Not everyone who would play this game or has been looking for a game like this would pledge a KS for something they won't have for three years. That should be obvious.

Convo · Jan 19, 2014

Zoeii_sl said:
No kidding, ifSHE'sbeen here lurking long enough you would almost expect some shit from posters. Hell Zoeii you are on your way to people jumping your shit and calling you out as a shill.

Fixed that for you.

I was defending you, fyi. I welcome anyone to "jump my shit" if it will make their life more fulfilling.

I have been burned just as much as you by the way (SWTOR Collector's Edition...yup, got it, just as one example), but I am still able to show some respect. And don't worry, I can handle myself.

Have you been tranny vetted?! Ha I'm glad you're out posting. This thread has brought a lot of lurkers/new people to it.

Baek · Jan 19, 2014

16,000 people that are now ~15 years older...lots of life to get in the way there.

zzeris · Jan 19, 2014

DickTrickle_sl said:
Not everyone who would play this game or has been looking for a game like this would pledge a KS for something they won't have for three years. That should be obvious.

$45 is nothing. Fire and forget. Who cares if you have to wait a few years? $45 also gets you into beta which is sooner than 3 years. This should be obvious.

DickTrickle · Jan 19, 2014

Baek_sl said:
16,000 people that are now ~15 years older...lots of life to get in the way there.

And lots of kids currently alive that haven't had a game like that. You're suffering from old person syndrome if you think no one from the current teen/college generation would take up a game like this.

Zoeii_sl · Jan 19, 2014

Baek_sl said:
16,000 people that are now ~15 years older...lots of life to get in the way there.

I have a friend who is 19 who backed Pantheon. We spent many evenings talking about gaming and I told him all about the old school, group focused MMOs. He is really excited for this game. It is very possible to get the new kids interested.

DickTrickle · Jan 19, 2014

zzeris_sl said:
$45 is nothing. Fire and forget. Who cares if you have to wait a few years? $45 also gets you into beta which is sooner than 3 years. This should be obvious.

It's obvious by the fact there aren't going to be 20K backers but if the game was released I bet it'd get more than 20K with accounts. There won't be a 1:1 correspondence. Not everyone is rabid and fanatical (plus not everyone cares about alpha or beta, either). Not everyone wants to spend money on something they can't play right now when they could instead spend it on something they can play right now. I was simply pointing out why KS backing doesn't necessarily imply total available interest. Don't be a fucking moron.

zzeris · Jan 19, 2014

DickTrickle_sl said:
It's obvious by the fact there aren't going to be 20K backers but if the game was released I bet it'd get more than 20K with accounts. There won't be a 1:1 correspondence. Not everyone is rabid and fanatical (plus not everyone cares about alpha or beta, either). Not everyone wants to spend money on something they can't play right now when they could instead spend it on something they can play right now. I was simply pointing out why KS backing doesn't necessarily imply total available interest. Don't be a fucking moron.

Well, Mr Rustled Jimmies, further funding for this project would look exactly at backers and funding toimply total available interest. No serious funding source will look at your bet of 20k accts(Mr. Schilling), your 1:1 correspondence, fanaticism, distaste for alpha, etc,etc,etc when they pull out their wallets. KS funding looks like the primary chance to get this show on the road and that should be pretty obvious based off the history of this genre. Don't be a fucking moron here.

DickTrickle · Jan 19, 2014

zzeris_sl said:
Well, Mr Rustled Jimmies, further funding for this project would look exactly at backers and funding toimply total available interest. No serious funding source will look at your bet of 20k accts(Mr. Schilling), your 1:1 correspondence, fanaticism, distaste for alpha, etc,etc,etc when they pull out their wallets. KS funding looks like the primary chance to get this show on the road and that should be pretty obvious based off the history of this genre. Don't be a fucking moron here.

You really think any people willing to help fund the KS will think, hey, this is all the people who will ever want to play this game? If that was so, it would obviously be a stupid idea to give any funding since the maximum interest would already have been reached. Not to mention all the numerous people that have already said they'd be interested when things were further along but weren't willing to donate.

I don't know how much more simple it can be made. They will use the KS numbers to gauge the level of interest out there but that doesn't mean the only interest out there are people who put into the KS. If the KS backers were all the available interest, they could not get any return on their investment.

Please, just stop being stupid and think for a moment.

zzeris · Jan 19, 2014

You are pretty damn smart DickTrickle. I have to give you the floor.

DickTrickle · Jan 19, 2014

zzeris_sl said:
You are pretty damn smart DickTrickle. I have to give you the floor.

If you keep trying, one day you can aspire to be half as great as me.

zzeris · Jan 19, 2014

Will have to aspire later O Great One. This thread has murdered the rest of this forum and catching up on the Wizardhawk memorial takes precedence.

Zoeii_sl · Jan 19, 2014

You guys are right, this is entertaining. ::grabs some popcorn::

Hey, is that a football player as your avatar zzeris? (proof I'm a girl)

On another note, the KS broke 180k.

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