Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

Dahkoht_sl · Jan 19, 2014

Muligan_sl said:
Can't do LT subs on KS I thought?

It means 1.00/year for "lifetime subs".

Zefah · Jan 19, 2014

Boozecube_sl said:
This is exactly why I am being critical of the whole thing, the thing I wish more people would think about is if those of us here are having doubts how does the average person who comes across this feel? It should be a no brainer for us, there should be enough information that everyone on this board at least tosses in $10.00 but there really isn't enough to do even that, and this is from a board founded in EQ roots.

Ok I am going to try to dive into this one last time. I know Brad and Co. are reading the thread but I don't know how much they agree with or care about the statements. I really feel like they should put out an announcement and delay the kickstarter for a week or so and put out the word why. Just be humble we jumped the gun a little.

Take a few moments and go over what you want to accomplish with this kickstarter, the stretch goals including shit like other classes make it sound like unless you reach those then classes aren't going to be in the game.Basic core parts of the game should never be a stretch goal!!! It turns people off. Be upfront that this isn't to fund the game! PERIOD!This kickstarter isn't funding the game if it was you would be asking for 8 million or whatever. Tell us what you intend to do with the fucking money, what your goal is. Define success for this goddamn kickstarter.

Once that is done sit down and think about the rewards, and put together a tier of goods that make sense. Think about the offers, do they make sense, you can have limited ones for sure, the $250 lifetime and the $250 alpha need to be rethought out the most, just like the guild packages do. Offer a limited Alpha + Lifetime at a $300-400 cost I am sure people would fucking jump on it. You will be making physical copies of the games if this succeeded offer a physical copy, no fuck that a signed physical copy that's a decent value add at pretty much no cost to you.

Give us something to fucking chew on about the game. We don't expect shit loads of videos ect, but how about some concept art for monsters, or shit how about an introduction to your current staff and let them toss out a few words why they believe in this project. It would be nice to hear the passion coming from you guys as to why we fucking need this. Your video you don't even seen to inspire yourself. Let these guys say hey Pantheon is the game I have always wanted to make and here it why, this is what makes it special.. talk about instancing, death penalties, talk about the challenges you have had on other games, what you have learned, why you really are reaching out and need the communities help and what you are going to do for them in return.

Get a PR person to set up all of the major gaming sites you can pull interest in to promote the new kickstarter launch date, fucking tweet, facebook, pintest, Reddit AMA, and promote it on all pages at the same time. Talk to someone over at Cursed or MMOChamp see if you can get a small section added into their front page, talk to some of your supporters who enjoyed your games, hit up Penny Arcade, talk to some of the EQ fan sites, or some of the webcomic sites, reach out as if you care spend a little bit of time talking with these people instead of just saying hey guys push my shit out please. I mean just spending a bit of time bullshitting with people here would go a long ways to gaining support for those on the fence. Most of us really would love to see the game you describe, we really would, we are passionate gamers who care about this stuff, so take some time and give us a reason to put down that cash. Hell reach out and see if someone can get in touch with Furor and have him come here and offer his stamp of approval. I am sure that would inspire a few more people to donate. You are a professional developer with a ton of experience that's why so many are surprised about the lack of professionalism with this kickstarter. Why is it different this time around.You need to sell us the dream with that kickstarter page, not just ask for money.Hell in your current state you are losing as many pledges as you are getting.

Really good stuff all around. And I'm saying this as a $250 backer. The Kickstarter could have been handled much better.

- Be clear and sincere about what the funding is for.
- Show how passionate you are and be honest with people.
- Reach out to big sites and get exposure.

Merlin_sl · Jan 19, 2014

And if this kickstarter does get funded.....seriously, fuck the office, the plush chairs, the phones and bookcases. Work out of your garage. Why blow....jesus, I don't even wanna know the cost of leasing office is in San Diego. What a waste of money. Use cloud computing to connect everyone. Everyone has access from their home to the server. Done. No need for offices.

zzeris · Jan 19, 2014

The KS still hasn't recovered from the lost pledge earlier. They need to hit that PCGamer info out of the park. I will definitely check it out but still really expecting generic and average info from it like everything else has been.

Hekotat · Jan 19, 2014

Tiv_sl said:
Hey all. Love the vibe of this forum! Lurking since FOHguild actually, but now seems like a good time to jump in.

I tracked down some Facebook groups.. might be useful for a dev to pop in personally and stir up excitement, all grassroots marketing like...

Misc EQ1:
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Everquest, 3,000 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/2204660571/?ref=br_rs
Everquest PVP Guilds, 600 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/3832...642/?ref=br_rs
Everquest Friends, 220 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/2266...346/?ref=br_rs

EQ1 Servers:
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EQ1: Luclin, 720 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/2689...509/?ref=br_rs
EQ1: Tunare, 700 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/106914563312/?ref=br_rs
EQ1: Mith Marr, 700 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/mith...arr/?ref=br_rs
EQ1: Prexus, 570 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/22930609661/?ref=br_rs
EQ1: Tribunal, 500 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/267354458665/?ref=br_rs
EQ1: Erollisi Marr, 400 membershttps://www.facebook.com/groups/8419984873/?ref=br_rs
EQ1: Bristlebane, 320 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/EQ.B...ANE/?ref=br_rs
EQ1: Rathe, 270 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/63940098447/?ref=br_rs
EQ1: Fennin Ro, 270 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/fenninro/?ref=br_rs
EQ1: Vazaelle, 265 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/14326454526/?ref=br_rs
EQ1: Nagafen, 200 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/87907269839/?ref=br_rs
EQ1: Stromm, 170 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/eqstromm/?ref=br_rs
EQ1: FV, 160 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/111394281503/?ref=br_rs
EQ1: Xev, 90 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/4795...453/?ref=br_rs
EQ1: E'Ci, 65 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/1527...116/?ref=br_rs
EQ1: Povar, 55 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/1948...481/?ref=br_rs
EQ1: Antonius Bayle, 30 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/3805...291/?ref=br_rs

EQ1 Guilds (past/present):
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Triton, 80 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/182899059170/?ref=br_rs
Triality, 60 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/1349...228/?ref=br_rs
Phantom Raiders Guild, 100 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/92576700529/?ref=br_rs
Crimson Eternity Guild, 80 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/1138...158/?ref=br_rs
Darkwind Guild, 130 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/1406...790/?ref=br_rs
Five Rings Guild, 80 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/1353...196/?ref=br_rs
Champions of Norrath, 90 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/CoNEQ/?ref=br_rs
Ring of Valor, 120 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/ringofvalor/?ref=br_rs
Nameless Order, 60 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/2760...528/?ref=br_rs
Caer Cadarn, 60 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/13151245122/?ref=br_rs
Travelers of Norrath, 100 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/1110...382/?ref=br_rs
Iratus Lepus, 80 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/1201...013/?ref=br_rs
Dark Horizon, 60 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/1011...402/?ref=br_rs
Divine Legend, 80 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/5164433801/?ref=br_rs
Emerald Alliances, 440 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/1415...072/?ref=br_rs
Infinite Elysium, 100 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/infi...ium/?ref=br_rs
Ashen Vendetta, 80 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/36038436227/?ref=br_rs
Phantom Raiders, 100 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/92576700529/?ref=br_rs
Wudan EQ, 100 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/11038975724/?ref=br_rs
Five Rings, 75 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/1353...196/?ref=br_rs
Rest in Peace, 100 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/4441543393/?ref=br_rs
Crimson Eternity, 80 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/1138...158/?ref=br_rs
Noble Blade, 130 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/44475404312/?ref=br_rs
Tribe, 60 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/tribeguild/?ref=br_rs
Unholy Czars, 70 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/2071...225/?ref=br_rs

Misc (on-topic game groups):
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Official Dragon*Con Facebook, 10,000 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/64957418128/?ref=br_rs
Dragon*Con, 8,750 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/2204785158/?ref=br_rs

Old School Gamers, 5,300 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/1213...920/?ref=br_rs
Old School Gaming Rocks, 340 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/OSGRocks/?ref=br_rs

MMO Games, 5,000 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/18560342066/?ref=br_rs
A Fansite for Games Workshop, 4,900 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/2375487814/?ref=br_rs

1st Edition Advanced Dungeons & Dragons, 2,200 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/40230212669/?ref=br_rs
Dungeons and Dragons, 580 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/2204479412/?ref=br_rs

RPG Kickstarter News, 1,440 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/4305...272/?ref=br_rs

Project 1999 (eq emu), 95 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/project1999/?ref=br_rs
Taken (P1999 emu raiding guild), 65 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/2915...676/?ref=br_rs

Game Dev (some self-promoting happening here):
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Indie Game Developers, 13,500 membershttps://www.facebook.com/groups/8117041572/?ref=br_rs
Game Development, 12,000 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/2204698720/?ref=br_rs
Video Game Developers, 5,000 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/2248433342/?ref=br_rs
Indie Game Promo, 3,300 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/2275...252/?ref=br_rs

Misc (similar games):
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Meridian 59, 300 members -https://www.facebook.com/groups/40338181227/

Now this is a fucking 14'er I can support!

Muligan · Jan 19, 2014

Merlin_sl said:
And if this kickstarter does get funded.....seriously, fuck the office, the plush chairs, the phones and bookcases. Work out of your garage. Why blow....jesus, I don't even wanna know the cost of leasing office is in San Diego. What a waste of money. Use cloud computing to connect everyone. Everyone has access from their home to the server. Done. No need for offices.

Wonder what it takes to get servers up for a few thousand people? When I did software administration we actually housed everything in our own datacenter but we had affiliates that "leased" part of cluster. Just curious what they are planning to do logistically with getting office computers, testing environment, etc. Now that you mentioned the above, was trying to wrap my head around their expenses.

Meld · Jan 19, 2014

So close to getting the $250 tier... just isn't quite enough that comes with it to make me go for it heh

Trathos_sl · Jan 19, 2014

Meld_sl said:
So close to getting the $250 tier... just isn't quite enough that comes with it to make me go for it heh

Which 250 tier?

RoyalAssassin · Jan 19, 2014

Meld_sl said:
So close to getting the $250 tier... just isn't quite enough that comes with it to make me go for it heh

With the lifetime sub? That's the one tier where the tangible benefit is a quantifiable bargain. I upped from $75 to that tier when it came out.

rhinohelix · Jan 19, 2014

Boozecube_sl said:
This is exactly why I am being critical of the whole thing, the thing I wish more people would think about is if those of us here are having doubts how does the average person who comes across this feel? It should be a no brainer for us, there should be enough information that everyone on this board at least tosses in $10.00 but there really isn't enough to do even that, and this is from a board founded in EQ roots.
...You need to sell us the dream with that kickstarter page, not just ask for money.Hell in your current state you are losing as many pledges as you are getting.

I agree with this but realize that the collective "we" have been giving this same advice here in detail since the day the KS launched.

gogojira_sl · Jan 19, 2014

The one question I've asked but I'm almost certain won't be answered until after February 22: If the Kickstarter doesn't get funded, will the Visionary Realms team push on? This is one of the last remaining hopes I have for caring about MMOs and should the KS go south, I don't want to feel like all hope is lost.

Sithro · Jan 19, 2014

gogojira_sl said:
The one question I've asked but I'm almost certain won't be answered until after February 22: If the Kickstarter doesn't get funded, will the Visionary Realms team push on? This is one of the last remaining hopes I have for caring about MMOs and should the KS go south, I don't want to feel like all hope is lost.

Same here, my hopes pretty much lie in this, Camelot Unchained, Shroud of the Avatar, and Project Gorgon. It sucks, but everyone wants to be WoW. These are the only games I know of going in a different direction.

Kirun · Jan 19, 2014

jilena_sl said:
I always found this phenomenon hilarious to watch with every new EQ server and later progression servers. The first few weeks is like 9812739812793872198371 people logged on all with dreams that THIS TIME they are going to be at the head of the pack and claim GLORY. Then 2-3 weeks in they start to realize the same uberguild fags from the server they just fled were also bored, also moved to the new server, and are already twice their level, have half the content they had been touching themselves over on farm, and are just going to kick their asses on this new server as well. Then the population starts dropping in droves.

And people have the exact same fantasies when it comes to Pantheon, I assure you. They may actually succeed in this game, because nobody else is going to be interested enough to "compete" with them.

gogojira_sl · Jan 19, 2014

Sithro_sl said:
Same here, my hopes pretty much lie in this, Camelot Unchained, Shroud of the Avatar, and Project Gorgon. It sucks, but everyone wants to be WoW. These are the only games I know of going in a different direction.

Yep. Here's to hoping if even a few of them have to split, Brad pursues this dream.

Also worth nothing, the Visionary Realms Kickstarter icon is now the Aradune screenshot Brad uses here, haha.

BankBank_sl · Jan 19, 2014

needle hasn't moved at all since I went out earlier. we've stalled out at 175k, folks. who's going to increase their pledge? I'm at $45.

Zaven_sl · Jan 19, 2014

Aradune_sl said:
Getting the word out is what we really need, thank you.

I don't have twitter, or his email, but has anyone reached out to R. A. Salvatore? We all know what happened with the last mmo he was involved in. I know he's probably gunshy on investing in an mmo right now. If memory serves me correctly he invested millions in 38 studios and i think he got his money back. However, this project is much smaller and he would be way more interested in it's style of gameplay than what 38 was cooking up. I remember him saying that he wanted the game to be like EQ, and not like current mmos but he said nobody at 38 would listen to him. He went on and on talking about how EQ was the best mmo he's ever played. He talked about immersion and challenging gameplay. First person view is something i recall him really liking.

I think it's a possibility that he would consider perhaps investing in this project, if none other than a 10k pledge. Hell, he may have already. Can someone tweet him, or whatever? I'd like to see what he thinks. This is totally his type of game. Maybe he wouldn't invest, but it might open the door for some other connections down the line. At the very least, i know he would be interested in playing this game. Just him retweeting to his fans could give a lot of attention to the kickstarter.

etchazz · Jan 20, 2014

BankBank_sl said:
needle hasn't moved at all since I went out earlier. we've stalled out at 175k, folks. who's going to increase their pledge? I'm at $45.

i'm still on the fence. some serious fucked up shit has happened down here at the borgata, and now i don't fucking trust anyone!

Sev_sl · Jan 20, 2014

Zaven_sl said:
I don't have twitter, or his email, but has anyone reached out to R. A. Salvatore? We all know what happened with the last mmo he was involved in. I know he's probably gunshy on investing in an mmo right now. If memory serves me correctly he invested millions in 38 studios and i think he got his money back. However, this project is much smaller and he would be way more interested in it's style of gameplay than what 38 was cooking up. I remember him saying that he wanted the game to be like EQ, and not like current mmos but he said nobody at 38 would listen to him. He went on and on talking about how EQ was the best mmo he's ever played. He talked about immersion and challenging gameplay. First person view is something i recall him really liking.

I think it's a possibility that he would consider perhaps investing in this project, if none other than a 10k pledge. Hell, he may have already. Can someone tweet him, or whatever? I'd like to see what he thinks. This is totally his type of game. Maybe he wouldn't invest, but it might open the door for some other connections down the line. At the very least, i know he would be interested in playing this game. Just him retweeting to his fans could give a lot of attention to the kickstarter.

Tweeted him just now

Sentien_sl · Jan 20, 2014

BankBank_sl said:
needle hasn't moved at all since I went out earlier. we've stalled out at 175k, folks. who's going to increase their pledge? I'm at $45.

I think and am hoping that tomorrow's article will be a decent lift for pledge numbers. That is unless it's vague statements that continue leaving people with more questions than answers. Also, we'll be getting 2 class announcements (hopefully one of the more unique classes) this week, which should help out with numbers over the week.

DickTrickle · Jan 20, 2014

Man, when you take out that $10k pledge, today was pretty bad. I wonder if Sundays are normally poor days for Kickstarters?

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