Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

Merlin_sl

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Damn, when I looked at it 30 minutes age it was still around +3k for today.
Someone pulled the $10k pledge.
 

mkopec

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As I said on the Kickstarter comments, whatever class/race updates they have lined up they need to just release now. Sod this one little item of boring-was-obiously-in-the-game stuff. Do they think the world is hanging on their every word?"Oooooh a Cleric class, I can't wait to find out what class reveal is next". Hell no, anyone interested before the Kickstarter assumed all the classes and everyone else doesn't give a shitthey just want information.

Updates should be about new information, stuff that's happened since you first learned of the Kickstarter. All 1,514 backers knew the moment they read it there was going to be a Shadow Knight class, you need to tell thema week later.
Yup! But hey, this Kickstarter would of probably worked back in 1999.
 

Xaxius

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Someone pulled the $10k pledge.
Classic.

a_skeleton_03

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I had to pull my $10k backing the other day because of the way things are going. This game is going downhill before it even starts. I was writing an email to Brad with a bunch of questions so I could bump back up to $10k so that I wouldn't artificially inflate the overall pledge in the meantime. I can't in good faith back this game in any way. I will be even pulling my $45 pledge, Brad has a long long way to go in order to get any real backing. I hope he starts over, until then good luck all.
 

Jysin

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What an absolute clusterfuck. I've been in at $600, but if this KS is any indication how this entire project will be handled then I will surely scrap my pledge altogether. Anything run this shoddy has zero chance of becoming a successful finished product.

Brad, get someone with some PR common sense on the job.
 

Spynx_sl

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I think all we can do now is start buying lottery tickets in hope we hit millions so we can donate to kickstarter... when is the next drawing? I am going to stay at my 100 dollar pledge just because its all I can really afford.

I am going to hop on board with the take a couple more months, get some solid development in and present a brofessional kickstarter. I will save up another hundred and pledge 200.
 

Lysis

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no, the saddest thing is that if this doesn't get funded, especially by a large margin, it will send a message to 'industry' professionals and indie devs alike that there is no demand for a title like this.
I don't think so. Everyone in the industry knows who Brad is. They've already dismissed funding him outright because of his history and lack of new ideas, so they're not going to be surprised we did as well. I don't think $1M from this KS was going to encourage any of them to gamble 10M on VR.

Making games is getting easier. There is an abundance of robust platforms, middleware, expertise and talent out there. It's amazing what amateur devs whip up in Unity in a short period of time. It's only a matter of time before there's another EQ. I still hope Brad has the wherewithal to figure this out. But it probably won't be geezers who bring it to us. It will probably be some young guys obsessed with games and willing to sacrifice everything to make one great.
 

Convo

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Just got home (fuck snow)and didn't get a chance to catch up on this thread yet but batman!? Come on guys you're making this hard on the supporters with that kind of stuff.. Also the updates really need to be reserved for actual updates.. To me an update is like a newsletter with a lot of information. Do the opposite of what you had to do to drum up support for an already funded game.. The money isn't there yet so there needs to be a sense of urgency.. The only thing I can think of is they are holding back for class week.. I questioned the trickle out stragedy yesterday and I still do. Don't hold back anymore.. Give us all the info than show us the art and demos
 

Muligan

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You can't say anything on the KS comments. They everything so literal or they don't get it at all.

I'm waiting for the PCGamer article..... still
 

Muligan

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I think thought... Since Brad is trying to put this hands of gamers, why don't he put up a poll for every class name? Easy fix. If they claim to not be KS pros and just developers, then turn it over to the community and save yourself of embarrassing and potentially damaging moments.
 

Merlin_sl

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It's amazing what amateur devs whip up in Unity in a short period of time.
That's why its so shocking that not one person on the team thought to shit out a quick zone with basic art, a couple mobs, one building etc, and physically SHOW US what they want to do for our money. I'm in my first year of my CS degree and I know enough of the Unity engine to at least create a semi-zone using placeholders as art.
 

Spynx_sl

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Two were pulled. I assumed they were troll pledges anyways, waiting for the perfect troll moment to dump them...which would be now.
Hate... where are you at in Indy brother? Im in fishers 104th and allisonville. We should grab a beer. Ill bring my laptop so we can send selfies to kickstarter.......
 

Quineloe

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I don't think so. Everyone in the industry knows who Brad is. They've already dismissed funding him outright because of his history and lack of new ideas, so they're not going to be surprised we did as well. I don't think $1M from this KS was going to encourage any of them to gamble 10M on VR..
Source?
 

Convo

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Dark Knight? Really? And even the description given is absolutely week. Either their PR guy is choking out their info so he can get exposure in large publishing, which is not great for a kick starter or they really don't have anything and they are making stuff up as they go. I'm honestly not sure at this point, but Dark Knight is REALLY bad.
Agreed man. I don't get it..
 

Noble Savage

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I just dropped my pledge down from 1k to 600. I don't think being able to design a quest or boss mob encounter is worth the extra 400 bones, at least for me. It's clear that these guys are talking about their game in generalities and do not have any information even close to ready for releasing to the public. We are basically paying for the hope that when these guys do get their shit together the game will be good, which to begin with I was perfectly OK with. However having seen some of the decisions made this last week its hard to keep the faith alive and you can't help but feel if the KS is this much a trainwreck how would the actual game development go. If I wasn't a huge EQ fanboi and I came across that kickstarter page and witnessed all the misteps that have happened I would go running for the hills. I will keep my pledge where it is just because I feel like I owe Brad & Co that for the years of enjoyment I got from his game. But this thing is sinking fast and I am not sure it can be salvaged. Did they trash all the shit they have been working on for the last 5 months for some reason? I ask because the stuff they are releasing me and my friends could have put together in a weekend fueled by chronic & Mountain Dew.

Serious question though, how does this get saved? Can his kickstarter get fixed in time? Should there be a second kickstarter done right this time? Or is this thing dead in the water if it doesn't get funded this go around?
 

Irongut_sl

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I've been on the fence for donating some money. But the more I see of this, it gets clearer that this Kickstarter should halt. Brad and co. should have only asked for 100k, to develop a solid design doc with input from the target community.

Once this is done, they can ask for the big $$$ once we see the "Vision" laid out. You want us to invest? Lets see all the cards on the table. A solid design doc. No more 12 year old boy study hall RPG fanfiction.

And please get someone that understands Kickstarter and marketing. Do it for the children. I know you guys are a small team, but really - there is a metric fuckton of talent out there that will work for damn near nothing except the promise of a good game and a steady paycheck once the game launches.
 

mkopec

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You dont need a source Quinn. He is more attributed to the failure that is Vanguard now than any past success he had with EQ. Its harsh, but the reality. go on any forum he posted on and you will see the trolls come out of the woodwork...
 

Aeiouy_sl

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It seems like they thought that this idea or "vision" would sell itself.
To be fair, haven't a constituency of former EQ players said for years this idea would sell itself?

Not sure adding the specific skill/spell names alluded to in the class description would make the difference that some seem to think it would.

Cleric class does not make sense without halflings in from jump.

Finally finished reading this thread after reading four months of eq next posts. I think people are hanging a bit on every release of information. I'm Dan.