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Just admit you don't know what you're talking about and call it a day. You are looking pretty stupid right now with the tps reference.
Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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Guest, did you like the last podcast notification?? Well here's the second one, and for the third podcast! Yep. This Thursday 8-8-24 at 7pm Central
Go here to check out his podcast thread for info on topics and links!Go into the FoH discord and find the Happy Time Fun Hour channel and give it a listen!
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To me, it's just having the feeling of being in a different world so to speak. While I think Vanilla WoW was an amazing game there was just something about EQ that always stuck out that no other game ever did. I think much of it had to do with the fact that you typically played in first person and you would actually feel like you were walking through a world, when you went out traveling to new places you were typically cautious because you never knew what might be around the next corner ready to stomp your shit. The fact that mobs weren't leashed and you could see a guy running past you with 50 pissed off gnolls on his tail so you better start booking it the fuck out of there as well made the game alive, which is something that no game sense even Vangaurd fully captured.
Sure the raids and the loot are always fun, and yes the raids in EQ where pretty much tank and spank boring, turn on auto attack and afk until Aten Ha Ra was dead so arguments about raid difficulty as dumb. Someone said WoW's hardmodes are harder.. Well no shit but that isn't why people were enamored with EQ. There was much more depth to EQ than many other games out there, that's what people are asking to experience again.
As much as people seem to think I hate Brad it isn't true, I do think he got lucky and nothing has ever shown that he knows how to manage or lead but what he does have that I do support is ideas and a vision. Idea guys are good to a point but they do need someone who can keep those ideas focused and who can bring that vision to life.
I played Ultima Online, EverQuest and every MMOG after it. I had more fun in P99 than most of WoW.
There's your answer.
zzeris
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They could do a lot of different things going in that direction. Always wanted them to do more with necromancers in vanguard.
Denaut
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This is actually quite true. The best projects are usually born from a mix of new and old people (there was a study of this involving Broadway plays). Too old and the project feels stodgy and unoriginal, too new and the project has too many problems and feels too amateurish. The most successful projects had a mix of veterans to keep things moving and new people to introduce fresh ideas.
That being said, about supporting new people, I was speaking to the industry as a whole, not MMORPGs in particular. In my opinion helping new guys get some experience under their belt being successful with smaller projects is the best chance we have to get something great.
P-Death is dead on about especially that intro video needing to be yanked and redone , quickly. If he does a video with Boogie , make the informal but informative video be the top of the page. That intro video looks like he's miserable and being forced to do the damn thing , anything but excited , and it it no way screams "give me money to make the game you want".
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That's actually what has me worried - this ISN'T a true Kickstarter funded game. They've said so themselves many times. This is just to get the project started - the rest of the money (and by Brad's own estimates, another $7.2 million) comes from a different publisher or investor. Ten "industry vets", all of which probably ask for $70-120k salaries at a minimum + startup costs (office, furniture, equipment, etc) will be burned through in a matter of months.
That type of budget on what should be a small niche MMO, is directly due to what Denaut and Bertox were talking about - the team is way too lopsided on idea men instead of developers/engineers/people-that-produce-tangible-things.
So Kickstarter is definitely the way that us weirdo EQ lovers can get the MMO we want - but Brad and crew do not seem to understand it. By his own admission - they don't "get" Kickstarter.
(All this is of course contingent on the KS succeeding - and I still have my $100 pledge in just for the record. Although I keep asking myself "why" more and more.)
popsicledeath
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Guys, including brad, who have previous created games that literally printed money versus people who have not made games. Seems like a tough challenge.
Daoc cost like 3 million dollars to make so Jacobs made a fortune. Garriot had succeed with UO and also massive success with the single player ultima line. Mcquaid helped delivered an eight million dollar game that went on to generate half a billion in profits.
You sound like a bitter developer. What game are you currently working on?
Convo
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I would say after watching the QnAs, he hasn't gone off the deep end. He's certainly not over promising anything, stops short of it at times. His vision for this game isn't overly complicated.. He's not setting out to innovate but only refine old mechanics and elaborate on a few things.
Sadly, it's this arrogant bullshit that has given us the current cesspool of boredom that we've got today and printed cash like it's air. You're not wrong Walter, you're just an asshole.
Like you said though, I don't think they're many here like that.
The first kiss argument is crap because you get a new first kiss with every different person you kiss. So it's possible to feel that excitement over and over. It only loses that zing when you're kissing the same person, year after year. I would argue it's more like chasing that first high. Besides, my first kiss was gawd-awful. Lots of nose-bump and glasses-smashing.
Whatever it is, it keeps people like us foaming at the mouth for just a whiff of every new MMORPG that comes out (and throwing our $ at them). We may NEVER get that "feeling" again, but we will continue to chase, regardless of how many people make sound and logical arguments against it.
I agree , and also Merlin you aren't the only one about VG in your post , I enjoyed lots of the areas of VG scenery and music.
I'll throw out my very uncommon preference, and be prepared to get lol'd and shit on............ I honestly don't care about raids. There I said it.
Explanation , yes have raids, large hard dungeons and so on, but don't spend 50% of the development time on them. In EQ the amount of time I spent leveling , twinking an alt , buffing others , running around just looking for shit , far , far outweighs the overall time I spent in any plane. I think it would be ok for them to spend more time on the world , the leveling starting at the moment you log on, and so on , and not spend huge amounts of the development time for raid X at max level.
I realize I'm about to get the virtual rotten tomatoes thrown at me , and am ready
(also on the actual raids thing , I much prefer open world , bring 90 people if you want , the entire guild , have fun with it , if you can bring 20 and get it done great also , make that the challenge , the less people the better chance of loot , but zerg it also if you want with all your friends )
popsicledeath
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I've always appreciated your input as an industry veteran, because you sounded like one. But now, you're dipping into typical forum arguments. I understand you're just human like the rest of us who aren't sub-human, but parroting the bullshit the average fucktard on mmorpg.com parrots isn't something to be proud of.
Unless you honestly think people mean every iteration of EQ when they talk about wanting certain, specific aspects from classic EQ. If that's the case, someone is either trolling on your account, you had a traumatic brain injury, or you just got sick of giving sound, insider perspectives that we've seen from you in the past and decided to go lowest-common-denominator on our asses.
zzeris
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Denaut
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Not even a little, I've never been happier in my entire life than I am right now.
Their time has passed. They've all had second chances and shown their time is over. It isn't only the gaming industry that suffers from this, in the movie industry for every Scorsese that can keep making gold year after year into their 70s there are 10 Coppola's that haven't made a great movie since 1979 but keep getting money cause they have a name and connections.
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No nothing he has promised has been off the deep end at all but that's mostly do to the fact that they don't really seem to know the details yet. They can't go into specifics because all they have is a vague outline in Brads head or maybe a few things on paper, but as a whole it's being made up on the fly, the class reveals should tell you that much. I would think before you start introducing classes, and lore, and a whole gamut of different aspects of the game, you would figure out the basics of the world. The core design, how they will utilize the game engine, the dungeon design, raiding, basically acting as the GM of your own little group. Then after you add the classes, the skills, the day and night cycles, resist gear, lore, ect., ect.
Mr Creed
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Do you consider that you can take a product and iterate it in different directions? What you are saying about the last decade of WoW clones (which is an EQ clone itself) is true - but they generally change their designs in the same direction. Which might not the be the only route that could be taken with iteration of the DIKU. Personally, I dont enjoy the later generations of EQ games as much as the older ones because I value immersion highly, and newer games tend to shatter it more then old ones.
That's not to say this project is a paragon of immersion - that's impossible to say because they are making shit up as they go (which might be part of your point, but then you are just repeating what's been said a 1000 times over for 100s of pages during the last week). I'm more interested in what EQN can bring to the table in this regard to be honest, but that's a year away and the decision for this KS is made in the next weeks. Right now it's worth the money that would otherwise go to a likely crappy highly-interated movie (thanks Hollywood). If they can pull their shit together I'll even give them more, but I'm doubtful.
As usual Troy is coming up with better ideas than most of the internal team (even if I'm back in I'm still allowed to be snide and snarky , fuck the whole world thinks RR posters are evil incarnate and that image must be kept up).
He just posted these ideas for tiers , and I truly would bump from my 375 to the 450 instantly , and would consider the 800 heavily.
"Salim, make sure the new tiers added today include these:
$175: another in-game item: a shield
$225: another in-game item: a cosmetic illusion mask (like Guise of the Deceiver)
$400: name a building (like an Inn or Cleric's Guild or Store)
$450: both accounts you get have a lifetime $1 subscription
$800: get to tell us how the NPC you get to name should look in-game as well as any story behind the him/her and what type of zone he/she should appear in."
He just posted these ideas for tiers , and I truly would bump from my 375 to the 450 instantly , and would consider the 800 heavily.
"Salim, make sure the new tiers added today include these:
$175: another in-game item: a shield
$225: another in-game item: a cosmetic illusion mask (like Guise of the Deceiver)
$400: name a building (like an Inn or Cleric's Guild or Store)
$450: both accounts you get have a lifetime $1 subscription
$800: get to tell us how the NPC you get to name should look in-game as well as any story behind the him/her and what type of zone he/she should appear in."