Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

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You can't do a double push kickstarter tho.
It has to be a product you must deliver.

You can't say, well guys you are investing in half our game, and if we get funding for the other half you will be able to play it.
 

Vandraad_sl

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Serious question Dumar as I know you are all in and think this is our only shot at a game like this(I'm a reasonable backer at 375 but not quite to its our only hope ever but definitely lean that way).

Right now at this point what do you think they need to do that is within their power to get this funded ?

And other folks too who think they have a chance.
They need to show more 'concreteness' and far less "we'd like to do this" or "we're thinking about that". Basically present 1 complete dungeon, populated end to end with NPCs, some static and others roaming and full lighting effects. Scrap the 'releasing races 1 day at a time' and present them all together with complete write ups about any racial properties/bonuses/traits they might have. This needs to include artwork of the various races. Revamp the class descriptions being more assertive as to "this is how they will be".

Basically they need to solidify their presentation. Oh, and Brad needs to work on his public speaking skills..he comes off as distant and uninterested, almost sedated. How you present something is as big a deal as what you present.
 

Grim1

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Now you are just making shit up.
Yep. Turns out is was spronk who made that 250 to 300k prediction.

My original point stands though. It's still too early to tell if it will succeed or not. You didn't make the money prediction, but your general attitude comes from the same camp.

As for calling me a bandwagoner. You are off base again. All I said was it was too early to tell and have no idea if it will pass 800k or not. You jumped to conclusions and shit out of your mouth in response.

Here, take some toilet paper and wipe your mouth.
 

Dahkoht_sl

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For what its worth.
Things that needed to be done before kick-starter but will have to done ASAP.

-Concept art and lots of it.
-Details list of races and classes and combinations.
-Detailed design doc on death penalty, travel and combat (This is very important to your target audience.)
-One designed zoned/dungeon without placeholder art and a video of an encounter. (this can be scripted)
-A trailer. (something like the EQ anniversary videos of people talking about their old EQ/MMO experiences)
-And a fully running PR team. (kick-starter is PR not game dev sadly)
-A already organised community/website to help and advise the kickstart prior to launch.

The other option was to go in for a much lower amount with the theme of this is to fund the above ready for another kick-starter push later in the year. I get the feeling they would have hit about the same amount with just this. From the info and interview it sounds like they are still very much in the idea phase of the project and that is quite off putting to pledgers I think.(with history and all)
I'm definitely with you overall especially on the last point.

I think a KS that put it right out in the open , that it was to develop an early demo and begin the company , for say 400k as a goal , would have hit it and gone over it if it had been presented with just a few good pieces of artwork and a bit more organization. They could have taken that 400-600k went away a while, made actual game beginnings , teasing an occasional glimpse , then launched the next large goal KS showing actual small footage , real screenshots ,classes fleshed out specifically and so on. With the caveat of a CU style kickstarter organization wise.
 

BoozeCube

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You can't do a double push kickstarter tho.
It has to be a product you must deliver.

You can't say, well guys you are investing in half our game, and if we get funding for the other half you will be able to play it.
You say that but that's pretty much what's happening already. This $800k kickstarter is for funding the setup and foundation of this game. There will be another kickstarter or two before the project is completed or they will have to seek out investors. Obviously seeking out investors is much easier with having the setup and foundation of the game already in place with a proven market base.

Serious question Dumar as I know you are all in and think this is our only shot at a game like this(I'm a reasonable backer at 375 but not quite to its our only hope ever but definitely lean that way).

Right now at this point what do you think they need to do that is within their power to get this funded ?

And other folks too who think they have a chance.

Is the problem that there are still too few that have heard of it , or have enough heard of it but haven't been convinced to contribute ?
If they want to get this funded they may have to do the very thing we bitch at him for doing which is "lying", they need to get some content it doesn't matter from where they need concept art, it doesn't matter if it's commissioned shit from deviant art or old drawing that were rejected from Vanguard, EQ, or old plagiarized D&D drawings they need something to show people when they land on the kickstarter page that inspires confidence that these are the guys who can make this happen.

They need to be more vague it might piss off the hardcore EQ crowd but compare it to Vanilla WoW more since that's a bigger audience of eyeballs. You need page views, you need people using word of mouth to help get page views, you want to cast as wide a net a possible knowing you are only going to convert a % of those who come.

When they do come you need to hook them, you need to act excited as shit as if you just won the lottery, you are living your dream and you are willing to take these people with you to the promised land. As much as I think Ponytail looks like a sleezy used car salesman he acts confident in what he is showing you. You don't have to be right but you can't be wavering and worrying about what people are posting, you are the man with the so called "Vision" sell it.

Once you have something that would hook people in upon seeing the kickstarter for the first time with a fresh pair of eyes not knowing shit about you or EQ or anything, once you have something that the average casual can see and go that sounds cool as shit, reach out and hit up every avenue of help available.

It seems like this would be simple, see if you can get some support via Twitch and do some sort of bullshit EQ gaming marathon to fund the Kickstarter...

Talk to some well no gaming youtube personalities here are just a few I could think of off the top of my head who would probably jump at the chance to sit down and talk with Brad about Pantheon, again if this was my Kickstarter I would be reaching out to anyone who might be able to assist me in getting more eyeballs on my Kickstarter. Then again if this was my Kickstarter it wouldn't be posted without having a plan in the first place.

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Kripparrian - YouTube
TotalBiscuit, The Cynical Brit - YouTube
Rev3Games - YouTube
Felicia Day - YouTube
Wil Wheaton - YouTube

All of these are people who have a decent enough sized following and are gamers through and through, and enjoy MMO's. Honestly, I am sure others here could make suggestions of others who might be a good fit. Maybe Swifty or Athene.
 

BoozeCube

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Isn't Felicia Day already tied up with Guild Wars 2? I'm pretty sure she voices a main character.
She does quite a bit of game related work so it is possible, even so unless she couldn't talk about it via some sort of contract reason it would still be worth wild to reach out to her. If she couldn't promote him directly maybe he could join on of the table top game blogs for a day and get this kickstarter plugged. Marketing can be done in countless ways and sometimes very cheap which is why I am surprised he doesn't reach for this low hanging fruit.
 

rhinohelix

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Oh really? What were my original estimates? Jesus you American Inventors love to bandwagon shit without even reading posts, I have said plenty of positive shit about the idea and offered suggestions for improvement, not everything I say is bashing this game in spite what some dipshit posters would have you believe.
I would tell you to go DIAF but then I think about all of the good things fire has done for civilization and stop short, for fire's sake. Your occasional good post makes me think that you at least mean well, even if you can't sustain it.

Ya, they announced going from iOS to PC/Mac a couple weeks prior to the end, and 4 days before put up a new pitch & did a media blitz
I think a better example is the barely fundedPathfinder Online, with $226K the last day, but that could have been due to them doing the refer a friend thing (and maybe just funneling their own money into it as a couple have mentioned here to get it funded).
Both Pathfinder Online and Camelot Unleashed got about 20+% of their totals in the last 72 hours. Needing the last 20% for Pantheon puts the overall funding level at $640k at that point, so it will need to be in that ballpark to come close to following that model. Right now they are just below that pace but the initial surge is still inflating their daily numbers; this funding is still very much in the cone of possibility, if not with a high level of confidence. They need something like a hit with Boogie to change the momentum.

In response to Booze's earlier post about Rev3 and Geek and Sundry, an MMO like this is somewhat out of their sweet spot but they might have some interest.
 

Dahkoht_sl

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With current tiers and the 10k max thing , how would Brad actually toss in the last 100k or whatever if it was around 700k the last day ? Just curious on the mechanics of that.
 

BoozeCube

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With current tiers and the 10k max thing , how would Brad actually toss in the last 100k or whatever if it was around 700k the last day ? Just curious on the mechanics of that.
The 10 devs and their wives all make an account and pledge a few thousand each knowing that they will get it back in 3-4 weeks when the kickstarter fund clears. It would be kind of shady and require a bit of effort to get done, I mean if really motivated Brad could make 20 accounts on his own and pledge $10k from each of them, if you are desperate and hungry enough to make it happen you can find a way.
 

Chakravartin_sl

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Even if they completely filled the 35 tier that only accounts for 175k. Adding more spots to the 300/375 tier would risk the higher pledges dropping for a better deal
 

Emotiv

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The AMA and Boogie video are the big guns, I'll wait to speculate on the health of the Kickstarter after those are done.
 

Hekotat

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Oh really? What were my original estimates? Jesus you American Inventors love to bandwagon shit without even reading posts, I have said plenty of positive shit about the idea and offered suggestions for improvement, not everything I say is bashing this game in spite what some dipshit posters would have you believe.
Just shut the fuck up already, I can't even begin to keep up with your insane mood swings. Are you pregnant or something?
 

Dahkoht_sl

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Ok , I'm not an expert by any means on Reddit , but the Brad AMA being at 11am est/12cst Wed , just seems , "odd" to me timing wise. I mean for the most part I have a job where I can pull up something like that at work easily , but know lots who cannot.

Just seems to me an AMA on Reddit during prime time evening would be better for the maximum exposure.

I might be missing some reason for picking that time though that makes sense ?