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chaos
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It's not, it is a huge issue for me. For all of us really, our kids are going to be out in society with who knows who telling them who knows what about religion, it is something we have to address.
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I agree it absolutely is something we have to address, hence my first post that sparked all this discussion. Just because you are and Atheist, or I am a Christian, don't limit your children's choices by not exposing them to many different things. And don't tell me I'm being a bad parent for bringing my kids to church because you have a different belief. And don't tell the people who don't bring their kids to church that they are damning them. Have an open, honest, ongoing conversation about faith that embraces your own situation while not dismissing the beliefs of others. We are adults. We should be able to accomplish at least that much.
Just trying to nip a religious shitfest debate in the bud. If y'all can keep it civil go for it.
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Understood. Trying to keep it civil. Watch out for chaos, though. That guy's unhinged.
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Because honestly it's obnoxious and not all of us want to debate about the merits of raising children with/without religion or even hearing about it. Plus it's something that can get out of hand quickly if one of the shitheel posters swings by and adds their 2 cents.
edit: Note to self hit the goddamn refresh button.
chaos
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Dude, I understand your apprehension, but it's your problem. If you don't want to hear about it, scroll on past. This is a significant part of parenting and there is no reason, when discussed in a respectful manner, why people can't talk about it. If someone gets out of hand we can deal with that.
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Hey dork,
Did you see this article describing the findings of a study in children and faith? What do you think about this?Study: Religious Kids Are Jerks - The Daily Beast
Also, when you say 'don't limit your childrens choices', are you really saying 'my christian belief carries as much weight as any belief'? Or do you say 'every belief should be taught'? Could you elaborate on that?
chaos
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Yeah I don't know what will happen with mine. I have some books on buddhism, it interests me from a philosophical point of view.I guess the problem is, this is solved for my wife and I, we don't sit around wondering about the truth. So I don't really know how we'll address it, but I know we will now because it is coming up more and more in school. I don't want them to be pushed in any way, or be discriminated against, or to end up doing something crazy like be a nun or something. We all say "i would support them no matter what" and I would, but if something like that happened I would definitely feel like I failed and she was wasting her life. I don't have a plan but it is something I am thinking about more and more because the time to start addressing it is now I think.
It's weird, going from the problems when they are babies which seem so small in comparison now when things are transitioning to more complex and abstract problems, I miss those days.
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Oh, look. A stupid article that should clearly change my life.
There are Sundays when the kids don't come to church with us because they are at their friend's house who are Jewish. I don't challenge that. I encourage them to talk about what they think/believe with their friends, most of whom aren't Christians. I welcome all questions and don't pretend to have all the answers. I teach them about other faiths and give them things to read regarding those faiths. Do those other beliefs carry as much weight? Of course not. I have a particular belief. I hope my children follow me in that. I'm not pounding it into them, and you're incapable of understanding that.
Yeah, cleaning a crappy diaper is simple stuff compared to philosophically formative things. Decisions seem much, much bigger at this stage. Wait until you get into teenage years, and I have smart kids (like their mother), and they do question things. Answer what you can, don't be afraid to admit you don't have the answer. That's the best advice I've got.
Also, having a community of like minded people is incredibly helpful. I can not imagine living my life without the community I have. And that, perhaps even more than the theology and philosophy, is something I hope my children latch on to. Build a community.
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Scroll past it? The thread was hijacked by it.
And my apprehension is that it seems nearly impossible to keep that discussion civil. If it can stay that way then I'm absolutely cool with it. Although I should give everyone credit in this thread. This and the Health thread are by far my two favs so thanks everyone for being cool as fuck.
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Proverbs 22:6: Train up a child in the way he should go, And when he is old he will not depart from it.
It's indoctrination and you shouldn't be ashamed. I'm going to indoctrinate my kid toward love of science, family, kindness, work ethic, high-level gaming and yes, my religious beliefs.
It's indoctrination and you shouldn't be ashamed. I'm going to indoctrinate my kid toward love of science, family, kindness, work ethic, high-level gaming and yes, my religious beliefs.
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Genesis 38:15-16
When Judah saw her, he thought she was a harlot, for she had covered her face. So he turned aside to her by the road, and said, "Here now, let me come in to you"; for he did not know that she was his daughter-in-law. And she said, "What will you give me, that you may come in to me?"
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Izo
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Comon now, soccer mom - is commenting on a simple sientific study on the subject of religion and kid so hard for you? It's an easy to read article.
To an Atheist, there is little difference in what you're doing - faith affirms faith. Sending kids to, or putting emphasis on reading about other denomination in a faith based context does not promote critical thinking - they all accept what you're teaching them - a deity, a religious community, arbitrary set of rules from scripture.
I wonder how you justify to yourself and your kids, that you're teaching them demonstrably contradictory things about life (bible), put unreason above reason (faith), cherry picking (christianity and some select religious views, bible). Is your MO simply that your religion is the best foundation, and then wing it from there? I'm trying to assertain if you're fractally wrong, cherry picking, being a sheep, something?
As for religion, my country is in its constitution Christian, prostestant, yet considered the 2nd most secular country in the world after Japan. Our schools teach religion through history and non-proselytizing science study. Jefferson made sure you have the world's first secular constitution. The questions I'm getting at is: What school do you send your kids to - and what relation does it have to religion? Or do you home school them?