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meStevo · Dec 17, 2013

Feel like we're rushing things maybe with my son. 2.5 now and we tried to potty train over thanksgiving... clearly not ready. He's started shrieking for hour(s) at bedtime so wife thought it was time to go to a toddler bed and we've converted his crib... so instead last night he's throwing himself off of it (nice shiner on his cheek from hitting the door as I left the first time he did it) and it's just resulted in him sleeping with us.

This has only really worked if we've gotten his gas tank completely to zero, he falls asleep on mom downstairs and she puts him in bed. He was rolling out of it (last night was the first time we had a barrier to fix that) and eventually kinda fussing at the door and ultimately sleeping on the door in front of it.

Ugh.

Edit: Tonight went pretty well so far, 8pm was deemed quiet time and we all laid in bed until he passed out (about an hour), 20 minutes later put him in his crib.

Edit2: Was crying at the baby gate at 3am, mom let him cry for a bit but then went and got him, he was wet, thinks that might be why. He spent the rest of the night in our bed. It feels almost like having an infant again.

Draegan_sl · Dec 18, 2013

So my daughter is finally sleeping. It's amazing. I feel like a real person again.

She's about to hit 8 months and now the mobility stuff is coming into play, or starting to. She's been able to sit up on her own really well for quite some time so I thought it might be a sign of early crawling/walking/whatever. Not really the case. She can't crawl, roll over or anything right now. However last week she discovered she can pull herself up on to her feet by herself.

Oh lord.

Now she can hold on to my fingers and kind of shuffle walk, kinda. Looks like this baby is going to be running any day now. She just needs to get the muscle coordination down of her legs and shift weight for balance.

Kovaks · Dec 18, 2013

joeboo_sl said:
Sleeping has become a total nightmare in the last week. 7 month old had been sleeping through the night(10 hours 9-7) starting around month #4, but then teeth started arriving at month #5, so he had occasional cranky/teething days where nothing was right, naps were jacked, sleep time jacked, etc. But that was maybe 2 days out of 7 a week, still mostly good more often than not.

Now, about a week ago, kid is waking up every 2 hours ALL night long. Wakes up at midnight, 2 am, 4 am, 6 am and will absolutely not go back to sleep unless mom breastfeeds him for like 5 minutes. Last night we figured we needed to work to break him of this habit, so we refused to feed him when he woke up at 4am. Well, by 5:30 he was still up and fussy(occasional screaming, then calm, and back again, but never sleep) so we gave in, fed him, and back to sleep he went (until 7:30, right about 2 hours)

We don't have a clue what is going on. I know he is still teething, our pediatrician spotted 4 upper teeth all starting to work their way in, but you can't even feel them yet, and he was never this bad with the 2 bottom teeth that are all the way in, those woke him up maybe one extra time a night, if that.

We're fucking exhausted, my wife especially since she breastfeeds him each time he wakes.

I don't want to sound all hippy but have you looked at amber necklaces? We started using one when the teathing started and it has helped with drooling and sleeping, everyone i know who has tried it said the same thing after a few days wearing the neclace the kids just felt better and slept better.

Izo · Dec 18, 2013

Draegan_sl said:
So my daughter is finally sleeping. It's amazing. I feel like a real person again.

She's about to hit 8 months and now the mobility stuff is coming into play, or starting to. She's been able to sit up on her own really well for quite some time so I thought it might be a sign of early crawling/walking/whatever. Not really the case. She can't crawl, roll over or anything right now. However last week she discovered she can pull herself up on to her feet by herself.

Oh lord.

Now she can hold on to my fingers and kind of shuffle walk, kinda. Looks like this baby is going to be running any day now. She just needs to get the muscle coordination down of her legs and shift weight for balance.

Same with my girl, walked before she could crawl. Man did I regret not spending more time teaching her to crawl and roll first. So many bruises. Now it's climbing sofas, chairs, bookshelves. Can't wait for traffic and whatnot. Lawdy, lawdy, so much falling down. I don't know how you all get by with 3+ kids - looking at you, chaos and co.

Falstaff · Dec 18, 2013

I walked without crawling apparently. Our daughter is great at rolling over onto her side but she hasn't quite figured out the rest of it. When we go get her in the morning she is frequently at a 90 degree angle from when we placed her down to sleep, too. She's a pro at extending/locking her legs and is starting to remain standing for a few seconds as long as she has something to prop her up.

lindz · Dec 18, 2013

Kovaks_sl said:
I don't want to sound all hippy but have you looked at amber necklaces? We started using one when the teathing started and it has helped with drooling and sleeping, everyone i know who has tried it said the same thing after a few days wearing the neclace the kids just felt better and slept better.

I've heard the same thing about lavender oil applied to the bottom of the feet. Again sounds hippy but I know a few people who swear by it to help their kids relax and sleep.

Edit:Thisis what people have recommended.

Izo · Dec 18, 2013

Correlation and causation, how'd that go again? Does prayer work too now? Speaking of retarded things, I don't think it's a good idea to put a necklace around your baby's neck while it's sleeping - choking hazard etc. Oxygen deprivation is no joke.

Joeboo · Dec 18, 2013

Lavender is legit though, studies have shown that the scent is soothing and relaxing for babies. You can get all sorts of baby lavender oils, lotions, even sprays to spray their bed with to make it smell like lavender. It's a pretty safe and harmless thing to try, I think we're going to get some this weekend if sleeping doesn't improve in the next few days.

But yeah, holy hell, don't put a necklace on a baby.

Kovaks · Dec 18, 2013

I don't know about studies im sure someone somewhere did one about amber, it seems to help, could be coincidental. As for neclace i have seen people do that, but i agree only an idiot would let a baby sleep in a neclace, my guy actually wears an anklet only durring the day when we can make sure he isnt having circulation issues. He has a necklace we may use when he is older but still only when awake. Hadnt heard of lavender may try that if he gets bad.

Izo · Dec 18, 2013

joeboo_sl said:
Lavender is legit though, studies have shown that the scent is soothing and relaxing for babies. You can get all sorts of baby lavender oils, lotions, even sprays to spray their bed with to make it smell like lavender. It's a pretty safe and harmless thing to try, I think we're going to get some this weekend if sleeping doesn't improve in the next few days.

But yeah, holy hell, don't put a necklace on a baby.

Yeah, no. I wouldn't use lavender either.
Lavender and Tea Tree Oils May Cause Breast Growth in Boys
Think what it'll do to a baby? I want to shove an immunology book through your face, pref. Abbas. Why is it you insist on using caveman voodoo? Your kid is 1/10th your body weight, developing in a non linear fashion. Your baby has a very immature adaptive immune response at this stage of life. Yet you insist on smearing a powerful allergen on its skin? Do you realize you risk inducing allergy this way, not to mention endocrine disruption? Never use perfumed / scented oils, soaps or creme on a baby, and make sure the products you do purchase are parabens free. Comon now, this is baby 101 - ask a physician if you're in doubt.

etoille · Dec 18, 2013

Tuco_sl said:
Tired of letting my wife figure out this fertility thing. Just bought some magnesium and calcium chloride lube, a microscope and some chemical analysis strips and I made a temp spreadsheet. Gonna get this done.

TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT

yeah until I started thinking about actively trying to get pregnant I had no idea how complicated it actually was heh. The month we conceived (which full disclosure was the first month we tried/no birth control of any type) we hit every day 3-4 days before and after when the calendar said that I was supposed to ovulate - though due to symptoms I think I ovulated 2 days late - and the early dating scans suggested this too. Though my OB wound up using the date as calculated by my last period for purposes of scheduling the induction (there was about a 5 day difference).

Speaking of periods....still nada over here. Still 100% breastfeeding/pumping/no formula. We want to start trying again soon so I'm spending some of our HSA funds on ovulation test strips etc because I know when we start decreasing breast feeding in a few months (March-April) my cycle will be wonky.

etoille · Dec 18, 2013

joeboo_sl said:
He does love the grape childrens Tylenol...

Tylenol has not been awesome for us. Infant Motrin? Hell yes please.

Pediatrician cleared it around 4.5 months when kiddo's fever of 102 wasn't breaking for anything (tylenol included). We didn't even know infant Motrin existed. (Typically they say don't use it until about 6 months).

I dont use this a whole lot unless he's clearly really uncomfortable.

Have you tried the Hyland's teething tablets? We have had moderate success with these.

etoille · Dec 18, 2013

Eyashusa_sl said:
I walked without crawling apparently. Our daughter is great at rolling over onto her side but she hasn't quite figured out the rest of it. When we go get her in the morning she is frequently at a 90 degree angle from when we placed her down to sleep, too. She's a pro at extending/locking her legs and is starting to remain standing for a few seconds as long as she has something to prop her up.

This was my husband as well with the walking without crawling. And my son is doing the exact same thing - he does belly to back rolling but will only roll on his side from back.

We call the extending/locking 'planking' - he does it ALL the effing time. And he loves standing. Put the kid next to the ottoman he'll stand for a good half a minute on his own if he's in the mood (we timed just for shits and giggles a few times).

But sitting? He is NOT interested. He can do it. Until he realizes he's sitting and does the crumple down and roll to the side.

Izo · Dec 18, 2013

Motrin is a NSAID - COX inhibitors. Those give ulcers after 3 days usage. You might not want to consider this a wonder drug in the long run - it's for the rare occasion. Use acetaminophen when possible.

http://umm.edu/health/medical/reports/articles/peptic-ulcers_sl said:
Long-term use of NSAIDs such as aspirin, ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin), and naproxen (Aleve, Naprosyn) is the second most common cause of ulcers.

etoille · Dec 18, 2013

Izo_sl said:
Motrin is a NSAID - COX inhibitors. Those give ulcers after 3 days usage. You might not want to consider this a wonder drug in the long run - it's for the rare occasion. Use acetaminophen when possible.

I edited the post to be more clear - I steer clear of drugs as a rule (post partum I would only take alleve - they tried to get me to take other stuff but I wasn't having it).

But I think you are pretty over reaction prone dude. No one is talking about dunking their kid in a vat of lavender oil or feeding their kids tylenol or motrin as a snack.

And honestly I dont think anyone is getting in line to hear advice from you either. We'll go with our pediatricians - not some dude on the webz that thinks some lavender oil is the end of the fucking world.

etoille · Dec 18, 2013

also - to balance out the over reaction going on -

Are Lavender and Tea Tree Oils Estrogenic?

Uterotrophic Assay of Percutaneous Lavender Oil in Immature Female Rats

Izo · Dec 18, 2013

Etoille_sl said:
I edited the post to be more clear - I steer clear of drugs as a rule (post partum I would only take alleve - they tried to get me to take other stuff but I wasn't having it).

But I think you are pretty over reaction prone dude. No one is talking about dunking their kid in a vat of lavender oil or feeding their kids tylenol or motrin as a snack.

And honestly I dont think anyone is getting in line to hear advice from you either. We'll go with our pediatricians - not some dude on the webz that thinks some lavender oil is the end of the fucking world.

I absolutely despise those who suggest homeopathic or other correlation related 'remedies'. Any sane person would. Drugs are fine if used with care. I may be a tad overprotective, sure, comes from seeing a lot of worst case scenarios - immunosuppressed, asphyxia or otherwise critical cases - NICU. You'd be surprised what people resort to when they lose control. Not everyone here have had full term pregnancies, remember? Your baby is much more fragile than you and I.

By all means, take your pediatrician's advice, sure, that's what I've been saying all along - evidence based medicine, not superstition or folk 'medicine'. I do like your skepticism and general alertness. Your kid will benefit from it. Let's hope those you do take advice from know what they're talking about. Feel free to ask your physician, pediatrician, how often and for how long NSAID should be used. Ask about allergens in oils, shampoo, creme. Ask about amber necklaces (lol). Bitch all you want - you know I'm right.

Izo · Dec 18, 2013

Etoille_sl said:
also - to balance out the over reaction going on -

Are Lavender and Tea Tree Oils Estrogenic?

Uterotrophic Assay of Percutaneous Lavender Oil in Immature Female Rats

Sigh, then you pull a dumb move like this.

First link is a company selling the products - not exactly objective. I don't think you really know what constitutes scientifically sound research if you link a vendor - a peddler of 'natural' products. Seriously?

Second link focus on the hormonal part alone - and in rats. Granted pests are used because they're easy to purpose breed, knockout mice f.inst., but that doesn't translate directly, toxicology wise, to humans. Google Bradford hills criteria for causality if you really want to know - you're not linking proof of your point. It's a pointer - many are needed to speak of causality. And as always, dosage-dosage-dosage.
More important, the research article does not focus on the very reason NOT to use allergens - allergens may induce allergies. Mkay? Immune system. T-helper lymfocyte responses. Medical stuff. Maybe if you attended med school, read a few books on the subject? Ask your pediatrician...

So far all you've done is goofed. Thanks for playing though.

Kovaks · Dec 18, 2013

Ok the reason i originally came back to this thread, before we got sidetracked on lavender man boobs and homeopathy,was to first read how everyones babies were doing and 2 ask if and how you guys find the time and energy to game with an infant. I am going to bed earlier than i did before we had him and getting up at the same time. He sleeps through the night and works is no crazier than normal but i am always exhausted. By the time i go to play games at night after he and the wife go to bed i barely make it 15 min before i fall asleap on the couch.

Only thing i can think of is that instead of lounging on the couch after work i spend my time playing with him when he is awake and straitening up the house when he naps.

Any advice is appreciated.

Tuco · Dec 19, 2013

Izo feel free to point out that injecting babies with lavender may cause some titties but don't saturate this thread with your uppity bullshit.

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