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Sigh, then you pull a dumb move like this.

First link is a company selling the products - not exactly objective. I don't think you really know what constitutes scientifically sound research if you link a vendor - a peddler of 'natural' products. Seriously?

Second link focus on the hormonal part alone - and in rats. Granted pests are used because they're easy to purpose breed, knockout mice f.inst., but that doesn't translate directly, toxicology wise, to humans. Google Bradford hills criteria for causality if you really want to know - you're not linking proof of your point. It's a pointer - many are needed to speak of causality. And as always, dosage-dosage-dosage.
More important, the research article does not focus on the very reason NOT to use allergens - allergens may induce allergies. Mkay? Immune system. T-helper lymfocyte responses. Medical stuff. Maybe if you attended med school, read a few books on the subject? Ask your pediatrician...

So far all you've done is goofed. Thanks for playing though.
Thats right. Ignore the fact that the first link provides links to actual research and that in the second in order for your alarmist bullshit to be true lavender in and of itself would necessarily have to be estrogenic.

I would too if I were you.

Seriously like Tuco said no one here is excited about you coming to preach at us from on mount high.

Yes things like amber necklaces are wtf but throwing out ALL homeopathy is just as pants on head retarded - especially when evidence based medicine has shown results in some cases. Like I dunno, putting aloe vera on sunburns.

Christ you are fucking annoying.


PS your info on inducing allergies is also outdated. The AAAI and American Academy of Pediatrics reversed its stupid food allergy guidance for this reason. Anyone with half a clue as to how the immune system works already know that the best way to get an allergy is to shelter the immune system. See further the outbreak of peanut allergies due to OMG AVOID ALL THE SHIT reactionary bullshit.

Whatever Izo gonna Izo. Everyone on this thread could tell you to fuck off and for all your alleged smarts you'd still keep coming back.
 
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Ok the reason i originally came back to this thread, before we got sidetracked on lavender man boobs and homeopathy,was to first read how everyones babies were doing and 2 ask if and how you guys find the time and energy to game with an infant. I am going to bed earlier than i did before we had him and getting up at the same time. He sleeps through the night and works is no crazier than normal but i am always exhausted. By the time i go to play games at night after he and the wife go to bed i barely make it 15 min before i fall asleap on the couch.

Only thing i can think of is that instead of lounging on the couch after work i spend my time playing with him when he is awake and straitening up the house when he naps.

Any advice is appreciated.
We bought a PS4 the sat before Thanksgiving. Its gotten less than 24 hours total of play time to date. Probably less than 18.
 

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Motrin is a NSAID - COX inhibitors. Those give ulcers after 3 days usage. You might not want to consider this a wonder drug in the long run - it's for the rare occasion. Use acetaminophen when possible.
They don't "give ulcers after 3 days usage". Need to check your privilege, Dr. Izo. You also fail to mention the dangers of acetominophen, which are documented and pretty severe.
 
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I really think he just reads what people do here, plugs it into google, finds the first negative but credible sounding story or spin, then posts about whatever the fuck it is and says it's bad.
 

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Things going well for us. With respect to gaming. For me its almost exclusively on weekends after the kid has gone to bed. Additionally I just sold my desktop and now game exclusively on a laptop. 5 year ago me would have called me a noob... but its much more convenient.
 

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The only wonky homeopathic stuff we've been recommended by grandmothers and other old timers is vicks vapor rub on the bottom of her feet when she was sick and a tiny amount of chamomile tea for constipation. Neither worked as far as I can tell.

Someone send me a reputable link re allergies. If my kid ends up allergic to peanuts I'll feel like a failure as a parent
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As far as gaming goes, she'll sit on my lap and bang on my desk with her hands while I play on the computer but sometimes I think staring at my monitor is over stimulating for her so I try not to do it for more than 5 minutes at a time, especially if it's close to bed time. I'll just go read to her or something.
 

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Ok the reason i originally came back to this thread, before we got sidetracked on lavender man boobs and homeopathy,was to first read how everyones babies were doing and 2 ask if and how you guys find the time and energy to game with an infant. I am going to bed earlier than i did before we had him and getting up at the same time. He sleeps through the night and works is no crazier than normal but i am always exhausted. By the time i go to play games at night after he and the wife go to bed i barely make it 15 min before i fall asleap on the couch.

Only thing i can think of is that instead of lounging on the couch after work i spend my time playing with him when he is awake and straitening up the house when he naps.

Any advice is appreciated.
My overall gaming time has definitely dropped, but there's still time to do it. I made it all the way through Assassins Creed 4, but it took me a month to do it, playing an hour or two a day.

My wife works longer hours than I do, she leaves for work an hour before I do, and often doesnt get home until 1-2 hours later than me, so I generally cook dinner 75% of the time. Thankfully, my mother(who is a retired English teacher) comes to our home everyday to babysit, so we don't have to deal with daycare yet. A normal weekday looks like this:

morning:
6 am - wife gets up and starts getting ready for work
6-7am - somewhere in that range, the baby wakes up and needs to be fed, wife breastfeeds, takes 20-30 min
7:30am Wife leaves for work, I get my lazy ass out of bed
8am - grandma arrives for babysitting duty, I can get showered and ready for work, I leave at 8:30

evening:
5pm - I'm home from work and grandma goes home
5-6:30 - I play with the kid, start getting dinner ready(cooking with 1 arm while holding a baby is not easy, but I'm getting better at it)
6:30-7 - wife gets home, feeds the baby while I finish up dinner, then we eat around 7-7:30
7:30-8:30 bath time for baby, read a book to the baby, wind down for bedtime, kids usually asleep by 8:30ish, sometimes takes a tad longer.

Then basically from 9pm on it's total free time for us, do laundry, catch up on some TV shows, play some video games, have some sexy time(if we aren't too damn tired) etc.
My wife is usually in bed by 10-11, I usually stay up until midnight-1am, but to be totally honest there's also been days when we are asleep in bed 20 minutes after the kiddo.

I can't tell you how many times in the last 6 months I've grabbed a beer, fired up a movie, turned off the lights, and been asleep in my chair before I'm even 15 minutes into the movie or halfway through my beer. sometimes the tired just hits you like a sledgehammer out of nowhere once you actually sit down for a couple minutes.

And all of this is with a 7 month old that can't crawl or walk yet, I can't imagine how tired we are going to be once we are chasing him around the house constantly.
 

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Dude I would go fucking crazy if my kid didn't go to bed until 9. My 4 year old is in bed by 7:30-8. They also wake up at the crack of dawn no matter what time they go to bed, so that's my only real option. I envy people whose kids sleep in until like 9.
 

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Sooner would be ideal, but then my wife would never see the kid, and she likes some time with him in the evening beyond just feeding him. She often doesn't get home until 7(sometimes a little after), and I also don't want to be eating dinner at 9:00 if we do all the kid stuff first, lol.
 

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Having kids is hard on the sleep. Have you tried sleeping in separate rooms and take turns sleeping? Acetaminophen, paracetamol, is not to be used for extended periods. You risk irreversible damaging your kids liver and kidneys. The reason is interhuman variation in the level of gene expression of a specific metabolic liver enzyme, CYP2D6. I'm saying a balance is better - change your family routines if you can, don't rely on pharma alone
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They don't "give ulcers after 3 days usage". Need to check your privilege, Dr. Izo. You also fail to mention the dangers of acetominophen, which are documented and pretty severe.
In respect of Tuco, I'll keep this brief: No, I did not miss the dangers of acetominophen, old man - look above - It's still the analgesic drug with the least adverse effects, if used correctly, dosage. NSAID's used for their analgesic effects have serious side effects, ulcera. An ulcera to me simply means penetration of the protective mucus membrane and sore forming. This does happen very quickly with nsaids, days, dosage dependent. The reason is COX is responsible for forming arachindonic acid into prostaglandin (PG's), used throughout the body. In the stomach PGI2 and PGE2, are responsible for keeping acid pump production to an appropriate level (parietal cells) and the stimulation of mucus (mucos prod. cells). NSAID's inhibits the above protection of the stomach. That's why a PPI is prescribed for long term usage. Perhaps you're thinking ulcera = penetration?

Here is a schematic of the process:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Secretion.svg
Here is the abstract for one of the earliest articles from GUT, later published in BMJ:
http://gut.bmj.com/content/55/12/1731
If you don't have academic access to pubmed, here is a overview presenting the outcome, relative risks (RR):
http://www.americangeriatrics.org/fi.../Lanas2006.pdf

Needless to say, this has been looked further into, and hefty NSAID's like diclophenac are now almost banned for long term treatment, in my part of the world at least. Motrin is equivalent to ibuprofen, a lower risk category, but they still produce ulcers - see definition above - if used for prolonged periods of time. I would not use them for more than 3 days in a row to allow mucus production to normalize and proton pumps to lower production - unless prescribed with an appropriate proton pump inhibitor, PPI. It's a physicians call if this risks are outweighed by the therapeutic benefits.
 

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They can possibly cause ulcers in some situations. It is a potential side effect, not something that the drug does after taking it for three days. You could have just said "I was wrong" rather than type of that whole thing qualifying your wrongness.
 

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They can possibly cause ulcers in some situations. It is a potential side effect, not something that the drug does after taking it for three days. You could have just said "I was wrong" rather than type of that whole thing qualifying your wrongness.
You must be new around here.
 

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Someone send me a reputable link re allergies. If my kid ends up allergic to peanuts I'll feel like a failure as a parent
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The truth is the medical community doesn't know shit about how allergies start and how immunotherapy fixes them.
Citation: My immunologist.
 

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Peanut allergies just totally baffle me. Peanut allergies basically didn't exist when I was a kid 30 years ago. No kid I went to school with was allergic to peanuts, and in fact our school cafeteria often served PB&J sandwiches or PB cookies for dessert and it was no big deal to anyone. Where the hell did this peanut craziness come from in the last quarter century?
 

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Im having a hard time controlling screen time with my kids lately. They are 9 and 12. Ill be honest to say its just easy to let that shit go and just say fuck it, let them play. But its bothering me lately just how much my kids spend on the PC, tablets, 360...etc...

I guess its a generation thing? This past summer we honestly tried to get their asses outside and be regular kids. But the problem? All the other kids in the neighborhood are fucking shut ins as well, so they just get bored playing by themselves. The pool was the only saving grace. they did like the pool, and the hot summer we had kind of helped.

Its not just my kids either. They have good buddies at school which do the same crap. Come home, turn on the xbox and play until its bedtime. We set limits for them, but they end up moping around the house all pissed off and then we find them in their room on the tablet/vita/ipod a half hour later. Its frustrating as all hell.

Now my 12 yr old is asking for a smartphone. Says all the kids at school have them/had them since they were ten. We put our foot down on that one. Another device to plug into? Fuck that!

Now I know waht you guys are going to say, set limits, take the devices away. Well its a lot easier said than done. Believe me weve tried all that and were having a hard time with it. The hard part about all this is that its all social shit now. Its not like back when we were kids playing on our Nintendo with actual friends that came over or we went to their house, whatever... These kids are all connected now with others through social media, xbox live, etc. The good part? They have friends all over the country that they play with, socialize with. The bad part? They have to be plugged in.

We put a good effort, my wife and I, to getting them to play sports, baseball, soccer, basketball for my older one. But they just dont like it. Weve tried the scouts thing as well. They just are not taking to any of that shit.

I guess part of it is my fault for being a gamer myself and introducing them to it. In not hardcore anymore and honestly aside a few phone games I have not played anything in months. So its not like they are seeing their dad play all hours, its not like that at all. Besides, when I did play it was all after hours when they were in bed and it was my time. Most of my gaming, when I was playing hardcore, was from like 10PM to 2-3AM.
 

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Peanut allergies just totally baffle me. Peanut allergies basically didn't exist when I was a kid 30 years ago. No kid I went to school with was allergic to peanuts, and in fact our school cafeteria often served PB&J sandwiches or PB cookies for dessert and it was no big deal to anyone. Where the hell did this peanut craziness come from in the last quarter century?
Genetically modified peanut seeds.
Well could totally be something else, like toys / clothing made in china or pasteurized milk. But something is def up and causing that shit.
 

Joeboo

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Yeah, I'm torn on the gaming issue and what to do about it in a few years. On the one hand, I can't WAIT until my son is old enough that we can play some co-op Lego or Mario games together, but I also don't want him to grow up to be a social shut-in. Believe me, in my years of working at Gamestop I saw more than my fair share of just socially awkward and inept hardcore video gamers, and that's the last direction I want to push my kid, but I fuckin love video games and I can't wait until I can buy all the newest systems and games under the guise of it being "for the kid" lol.
 

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I have the same worry, i see my nieces and nephew always glued to a screan of some sort. I loved being active as a kid, playing sports amd playing outsode so hopefully i can get him into it as well but it is so easy to just turn on a game and zone out. Even when i was playing games as a kid it was with friends, some of my best memories are goldeneye with 3 or 4 buddies killing eachother in our tiney squares of the tv. Even in todays online world i would rather go to my friends to play multiplayer.

Although i too plan to use the , but it is for him excuse to buy and do fun things when he is older.