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The difference on conversions (and gain) in PoE2 vs PoE1 is that only the final damage TYPE is applicable for scaling purposes.
In PoE1 all types in the chain would apply to the base damage in order (Physical -> Lightning -> Cold -> Fire -> Chaos)
Here is an explanation of how it works in PoE1, which allows applicable scalars to damage types to apply to everything up to and including its own type in the chain
www.poewiki.net
My example from above, but in PoE1 and with 100% increased melee and 100% increased physical damage would look like:
Physical (400*3) + Fire (600*3) = 1200 Physical + 1800 Fire
In PoE2 it looks like this:
Physical (400*3) + Fire (600*2) = 1200 Physical + 1200 Fire
In PoE2 the fire portion of the skill does not benefit from the 100% increased physical damage whereas in PoE1 it does because Physical comes before Fire in the conversion chain.
In PoE1 all types in the chain would apply to the base damage in order (Physical -> Lightning -> Cold -> Fire -> Chaos)
Here is an explanation of how it works in PoE1, which allows applicable scalars to damage types to apply to everything up to and including its own type in the chain
Damage conversion | PoE Wiki
My example from above, but in PoE1 and with 100% increased melee and 100% increased physical damage would look like:
Physical (400*3) + Fire (600*3) = 1200 Physical + 1800 Fire
In PoE2 it looks like this:
Physical (400*3) + Fire (600*2) = 1200 Physical + 1200 Fire
In PoE2 the fire portion of the skill does not benefit from the 100% increased physical damage whereas in PoE1 it does because Physical comes before Fire in the conversion chain.
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Kiki
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Pasteton
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I don’t get it, why does fire benefit from the 100% melee increase ? I thought it doesn’t benefit from the phys increases ?
So in this scenario, then the ‘phys gained as chaos’ nodes I got on the tree are fairly useless? Since I am not scaling chaos at all? Or is detonate dead’s base damage high enuf that it’s still worth it?
So in this scenario, then the ‘phys gained as chaos’ nodes I got on the tree are fairly useless? Since I am not scaling chaos at all? Or is detonate dead’s base damage high enuf that it’s still worth it?
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From the wiki ‘Damage conversion is calculated after combining any sources of additional damage to base damage, but before any damage modifiers (e.g. increased or more damage).’
what does that mean? What are ‘additional damage to base damage’ sources?
what does that mean? What are ‘additional damage to base damage’ sources?
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Yeah, the fact they kind of lock out the keyboard/mouse stuff and vice versa when you're on controller, is kinda retarded.
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The wording of that is confusing. Like everything is in PoE.
Damage | PoE Wiki
So lets say you are using a skill that does 1000 physical damage, and you have 1000 flat physical damage from gear (weapon, rings, etc) and the skill you are using has 200% damage effectiveness (read as "Attack Damage: X%" on specific skills in game)
Your overall base damage, before conversions, is:
Base + Added (1000 + 1000) * damage effectiveness (200%)
2000*3 = 6000
Now you have your "base" damage number. From here lets say you convert 50% to lightning
50% physical = 3000
50% lightning = 3000
From there you apply the appropriate multipliers based on damage types. In PoE1 the lightning portion of that damage would still benefit from %multipliers to physical damage. In PoE2 it does not.
Basically what the "Before any damage modifiers" line means is, you convert and then you do your calcs rather than doing all physical calcs, and then converting 50% of that resulting number to lightning at the end
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Penance
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This was the one that clicked for me. Thanks a lot for the detailed writeup. It was the "base damage" calculation that kept confusing me.The wording of that is confusing. Like everything is in PoE.
Damage | PoE Wiki
So lets say you are using a skill that does 1000 physical damage, and you have 1000 flat physical damage from gear (weapon, rings, etc) and the skill you are using has 200% damage effectiveness (read as "Attack Damage: X%" on specific skills in game)
Your overall base damage, before conversions, is:
Base + Added (1000 + 1000) * damage effectiveness (200%)
2000*3 = 6000
Now you have your "base" damage number. From here lets say you convert 50% to lightning
50% physical = 3000
50% lightning = 3000
From there you apply the appropriate multipliers based on damage types. In PoE1 the lightning portion of that damage would still benefit from %multipliers to physical damage. In PoE2 it does not.
Basically what the "Before any damage modifiers" line means is, you convert and then you do your calcs rather than doing all physical calcs, and then converting 50% of that resulting number to lightning at the end
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I have all those uniques and more, don’t like leveling a war but want to try one later in the late game, use that set up and level it as a monk lol.
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Im still gunna be that guy. I fucking hate, hate losing exp when I die. It just makes me want to f4.
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Don't worry, all the offerings would've just been 1ex trash uniques, like the old man I got.
Yeah I did that with warrior but wanted to make it to maps first so I dont have to buy a full 2nd set of gear at level 65+.