Nirgon
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We all do it, I am playing my Molten Strike Jugg yesterday and was crafting a helmet with two extra projectiles. Several Exalts in I had it to the point where all I needed was to aug fire to add -9 fire resist just to have the guy I was paying tell me it wont work. The helm was ilvl84 and the affix required 85.
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Please excuse the rambling.
I think I'm going to put PoE down for a bit. Maybe indefinitely. I've gotten into that typical cycle where I reroll a bunch because some new build looks fun. But now, instead, it's devolved into thinking the next build will patch the deficiencies in my current build.
But I don't want to properly invest into a build to do the endgame without knowing I'm going to like playing it against said endgame. I really hate investing in a build because it involves crafting, build planning(yes, I like PoB but would still rather just play the game), and sitting on pathofexile.com/trade for hours. I just want to kill shit and progress my character. So, instead, I force a build into the endgame with uniques and cheap rares, get annoyed when it dies frequently and/or tickles bosses and end up eventually rerolling.
I have ~40ex in exalts and chaos and probably another 20 in other easily convertable currency. Yet I don't want to buy anything over an ex because I keep finding problems with every build I play.
I'm having trouble identifying a main culprit. At least, in the game. I know I have an addictive personality wrt gaming. It's why I had to force myself to stop raiding in WoW and altogether stop playing MMOs. But now I'm back to that same point with PoE. Fucking around in PoB when I should be working. Spending too much free time not gaming thinking about ways to improve my builds.
I want to say it was
Kiroy
that mentioned it when 3.9 was released that the updated endgame killed a lot of builds. I think Maven and Atlas trees has done that again 3.13. It seems the point where the game is saying "go buy some real gear" is much sooner this patch.
Performance issues 1.5 months into the league aren't helping my mood either.
I think I'm going to put PoE down for a bit. Maybe indefinitely. I've gotten into that typical cycle where I reroll a bunch because some new build looks fun. But now, instead, it's devolved into thinking the next build will patch the deficiencies in my current build.
But I don't want to properly invest into a build to do the endgame without knowing I'm going to like playing it against said endgame. I really hate investing in a build because it involves crafting, build planning(yes, I like PoB but would still rather just play the game), and sitting on pathofexile.com/trade for hours. I just want to kill shit and progress my character. So, instead, I force a build into the endgame with uniques and cheap rares, get annoyed when it dies frequently and/or tickles bosses and end up eventually rerolling.
I have ~40ex in exalts and chaos and probably another 20 in other easily convertable currency. Yet I don't want to buy anything over an ex because I keep finding problems with every build I play.
I'm having trouble identifying a main culprit. At least, in the game. I know I have an addictive personality wrt gaming. It's why I had to force myself to stop raiding in WoW and altogether stop playing MMOs. But now I'm back to that same point with PoE. Fucking around in PoB when I should be working. Spending too much free time not gaming thinking about ways to improve my builds.
I want to say it was
Kiroy
that mentioned it when 3.9 was released that the updated endgame killed a lot of builds. I think Maven and Atlas trees has done that again 3.13. It seems the point where the game is saying "go buy some real gear" is much sooner this patch.Performance issues 1.5 months into the league aren't helping my mood either.
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Caeden
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I’m about there. I just lucked into a build I’m enjoying. I have about 30ex or so. Maybe more and zero desire to start a new build nevermind that’s what I’d normally do here. I think the endgame is too long for a casual player. Literally the grinds are getting too long.Please excuse the rambling.
I think I'm going to put PoE down for a bit. Maybe indefinitely. I've gotten into that typical cycle where I reroll a bunch because some new build looks fun. But now, instead, it's devolved into thinking the next build will patch the deficiencies in my current build.
But I don't want to properly invest into a build to do the endgame without knowing I'm going to like playing it against said endgame. I really hate investing in a build because it involves crafting, build planning(yes, I like PoB but would still rather just play the game), and sitting on pathofexile.com/trade for hours. I just want to kill shit and progress my character. So, instead, I force a build into the endgame with uniques and cheap rares, get annoyed when it dies frequently and/or tickles bosses and end up eventually rerolling.
I have ~40ex in exalts and chaos and probably another 20 in other easily convertable currency. Yet I don't want to buy anything over an ex because I keep finding problems with every build I play.
I'm having trouble identifying a main culprit. At least, in the game. I know I have an addictive personality wrt gaming. It's why I had to force myself to stop raiding in WoW and altogether stop playing MMOs. But now I'm back to that same point with PoE. Fucking around in PoB when I should be working. Spending too much free time not gaming thinking about ways to improve my builds.
I want to say it was
Performance issues 1.5 months into the league aren't helping my mood either.
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A shorter endgame grind might inherently fix the issue. It would definitely reduce the implicit cost of trying out a build, not liking it, and having to recoup your investment.
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That's why I always start with totems or mines. I don't want to start some meta build and then realise when I'm at T15 that it's gonna take a shitload of currency and investment to get into endgame. If a miner or totem build is bad you can normally sort it out with a skill swap and a few regrets. I've played so many bad builds that looked good on videos, I've learned my lesson.
As a rule I don't even watch build videos any more as they are fucking bullshit for the most part.
As a rule I don't even watch build videos any more as they are fucking bullshit for the most part.
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I find that's part of the problem. I play something like totems and I know in the back of my head that I could be playing, have played, a build that kills much faster and smarter just due to the totem placement time and dumb targeting.
Almost every build has this issue. It's not really an issue, this is essentially build diversity and balancing, or GGG's attempt at it. I want to say I could sniff the endgame for far cheaper previously than currently. Also, Maven and Atlas trees ramp up difficulty much earlier.
dizzie
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5L tremor rod + kaoms is the easiest route to A8 Sirus there is in the game on a league start. I might roll GC next league, was fucking around in SSF with it, it seems nice as it shotguns and freezes.
Nirgon
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ARPG uber content will reveal things about most builds. True in Grim Dawn and many others.
Can be a right tool for the job kind of thing. Should a dank clear speed build really be some uber killer too...
I don't like making a farm char to gear up an Uber slayer either. But there are regret orbs and some freebie respecs to save up. Then you can swap from WD trickster to some boss nuker assassin, hopefully some of the gear overlaps.
Can be a right tool for the job kind of thing. Should a dank clear speed build really be some uber killer too...
I don't like making a farm char to gear up an Uber slayer either. But there are regret orbs and some freebie respecs to save up. Then you can swap from WD trickster to some boss nuker assassin, hopefully some of the gear overlaps.
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Can I have your stuff?Please excuse the rambling.
I think I'm going to put PoE down for a bit. Maybe indefinitely. I've gotten into that typical cycle where I reroll a bunch because some new build looks fun. But now, instead, it's devolved into thinking the next build will patch the deficiencies in my current build.
But I don't want to properly invest into a build to do the endgame without knowing I'm going to like playing it against said endgame. I really hate investing in a build because it involves crafting, build planning(yes, I like PoB but would still rather just play the game), and sitting on pathofexile.com/trade for hours. I just want to kill shit and progress my character. So, instead, I force a build into the endgame with uniques and cheap rares, get annoyed when it dies frequently and/or tickles bosses and end up eventually rerolling.
I have ~40ex in exalts and chaos and probably another 20 in other easily convertable currency. Yet I don't want to buy anything over an ex because I keep finding problems with every build I play.
I'm having trouble identifying a main culprit. At least, in the game. I know I have an addictive personality wrt gaming. It's why I had to force myself to stop raiding in WoW and altogether stop playing MMOs. But now I'm back to that same point with PoE. Fucking around in PoB when I should be working. Spending too much free time not gaming thinking about ways to improve my builds.
I want to say it was
Performance issues 1.5 months into the league aren't helping my mood either.
No but really, I feel your pain. It's one of the reasons I hadn't played since Legion League before around last November or something. That combined with entertainment in general becoming a barren wasteland in the last year it makes video games in general a more appealing option. But POE is certainly very capable of becoming way too much. There's just SO much in this game, so much esoteric knowledge required to get past certain roadblocks. I wonder if they'd be better off trimming some old content or maybe merging a few things together from past leagues. Then there's POE 2 to look forward to?
Could be worse... GGG could get bought up by EA or Ubisoft!
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Sure.Can I have your stuff?
No but really, I feel your pain. It's one of the reasons I hadn't played since Legion League before around last November or something. That combined with entertainment in general becoming a barren wasteland in the last year it makes video games in general a more appealing option. But POE is certainly very capable of becoming way too much. There's just SO much in this game, so much esoteric knowledge required to get past certain roadblocks. I wonder if they'd be better off trimming some old content or maybe merging a few things together from past leagues. Then there's POE 2 to look forward to?
Could be worse... GGG could get bought up by EA or Ubisoft!
PoE needs content rotation akin to card games. I don't know if that would help specifically, but maybe everything would get more implicit polish due to more available dev time due not having to maintain 5 year old content.
I really like what Hearthstone is doing in finally implementing a rotating yearly core set. Specifically, some of the outdated cards are getting buffs. But I doubt GGG would ever restrict access to content or uniques, they've said they don't like breaking builds. BUT, if you power creep the endgame bosses such that you can't effectively play glacial hammer mjolner anymore, isn't that the same thing?
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As it should. I think what's out of whack here is that builds are being revealed much earlier(Maven observations are a big part of this). Previous leagues, I'd get invested in a build for 10s of exalts and run into the uncomfortable content at the way end. At that point, almost done with the build and league, suck it up, power through. Cold BV Pathfinder was that build last league. Now it's annoyingly meta and even more expensive, so those playability flaws like maintaining flasks, stacking Indigon, melee range, etc, are much more glaring instead of just a "eh, throw a few more exalts at this".
I would prefer to focus on one character. I'm not even going to say it's me, it's PoE. The range of content you can easily experience in one play session(or even one map) is not conducive to character swapping like someone might do in an MMO.
Thregin
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Have you played Worb lately? Won't you run into the issue of just tickling bosses again?
I'm definetly in the camp, i think the same camp as you, of wanting to make 1 ultimate do it all build thats fast, tanky, does bosses and explodes maps.
Which then sadly requires probably dozens or more times the currency.
Which is why my current guy, my first level 100 ever, is probably worth more than 400ex at this point, to be fair, thats mostly due to inflation. Probably 300 ex of it. This league really hammered home in me that what you do the first week or 2, not to mention the first day or 2 (but im not fast enough for that) really matters a whole lot more than what you do after a month.
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ronne
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Play blade blast fire convert inquis. It does it all. I killed the entire game with mine having spent less than 20ex on buying/crafting for it. Most of the power is in the spell gems themselves and vulcanos adding a fucking stupid amount of flat damage with battlemage.
I'll echo exactly what you've said though
Deathwing
. Every build I've put together besides the bladeblast char has really run in to a brick wall in the "uber" endgame or whatever you want to call it. I've started sanity checking myself by going and running a shaper/elder/uber elder cycle just to see if I've gone crazy and my build is ass, but that's never been the case - the new endgame is just that fucking punishing. And it's done exactly what you said above: instead of the top say, 20% of builds being really, truly endgame viable, now it's the top 5%, meaning there's really only a handful of class/gem setups that can really deal with the hidden/maven/whatever (without having access to a mirror budget anyway).
Like my current lancing steel char, I'm about ~40ex invested between buying a few uniques and crafting some stuff. This char would be like, showcase build worthy a couple of leagues ago. Absolutely crushes all the conquerors/sirus etc. Have about 15m DPS estimated (the projectiles scale weird in pob, and don't always all hit properly), decent tank with a big life pool and fortify scaling, ailment immunity. But for the feared? The hidden? Maven? The damage just isn't high enough or reliable enough between steel shards/mana leech/flasks, and it gets overwhelmed almost every attempt and can't do it.
The DPS check bar has risen so fucking high in the new uber fights, it's really insane.
I'll echo exactly what you've said though
Deathwing
. Every build I've put together besides the bladeblast char has really run in to a brick wall in the "uber" endgame or whatever you want to call it. I've started sanity checking myself by going and running a shaper/elder/uber elder cycle just to see if I've gone crazy and my build is ass, but that's never been the case - the new endgame is just that fucking punishing. And it's done exactly what you said above: instead of the top say, 20% of builds being really, truly endgame viable, now it's the top 5%, meaning there's really only a handful of class/gem setups that can really deal with the hidden/maven/whatever (without having access to a mirror budget anyway).Like my current lancing steel char, I'm about ~40ex invested between buying a few uniques and crafting some stuff. This char would be like, showcase build worthy a couple of leagues ago. Absolutely crushes all the conquerors/sirus etc. Have about 15m DPS estimated (the projectiles scale weird in pob, and don't always all hit properly), decent tank with a big life pool and fortify scaling, ailment immunity. But for the feared? The hidden? Maven? The damage just isn't high enough or reliable enough between steel shards/mana leech/flasks, and it gets overwhelmed almost every attempt and can't do it.
The DPS check bar has risen so fucking high in the new uber fights, it's really insane.
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