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Pyros

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Porcupines have been deadly for many years, like even in the old days they were and since they boosted monster dmg over time in various ways, they've stayed one of the most dangerous mob types in the game if you're clearing fast. Map affixes I don't think they did anything specifically lately, they did fix ground stuff but that was several years ago, they changed how shock is applied too but don't remember when. You might just be seeing stacked damage modifiers and such, they did change some things to monsters a while back(was more than a year ago though I thought). Just make sure you have shock immunity or don't step in the bad(but it's a pain to avoid).
 
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Pasteton

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Yes porc pain is highly effected by stuff like ‘phys as extra ‘ mods on the map. It can easily go from ignored to one shot with the right mods.
 

Il_Duce Lightning Lord Rule

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So now that I am running mid to high red maps I have a couple of questions:

(1) Did they buff Porcupines in the last year at some point, because after about T12 they become a serious going concern for me.

(2) Did they buff map affixes in that same year? Shocking ground used to be a minor inconvenience but now it is pretty rapey. I can feel a real significant difference when I have an increased crit strike and damage affix for the mobs, especially on the boss.

Now both these issues could be a function of my poor focus on defense in my build, but this char is not much different than the one with which I killed all the end game stuff 18 months ago.

Also, to make myself feel better, I went to white maps and completed a couple of Ultimatums so every time I pass by the Trialmaster while running high tier maps I get to hear him whine about how much I am winning.

It's the little things.
Speaking as someone who took like a year off recently, there's a huge difference between the capabilities of 'OK' builds from back then and now. If you were to reconstruct those same builds that were OK then, you will get shit on pretty hard by a lot of endgame stuff now and it will feel terrible. Like, I remember builds from back then if they had 1M dps and could kill Shaper inside of a few minutes without getting blown up most of the time were considered just fine for endgame, whereas now those are considered 'starter build' numbers... at best.


Luckily, a lot of the mechanics and items and changes since like Legion league are pretty accessible from a price standpoint. It just takes a bit of research or copying an updated build guide or researching a few builds on POE ninja.
 
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Slaanesh69

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Speaking as someone who took like a year off recently, there's a huge difference between the capabilities of 'OK' builds from back then and now. If you were to reconstruct those same builds that were OK then, you will get shit on pretty hard by a lot of endgame stuff now and it will feel terrible. Like, I remember builds from back then if they had 1M dps and could kill Shaper inside of a few minutes without getting blown up most of the time were considered just fine for endgame, whereas now those are considered 'starter build' numbers... at best.


Luckily, a lot of the mechanics and items and changes since like Legion league are pretty accessible from a price standpoint. It just takes a bit of research or copying an updated build guide or researching a few builds on POE ninja.
Yeah I feel this one.

I am no PoE Savant like a couple of people here, I don't tinker in PoB as a hobby (no hate, guys), I just follow builds.

So the builds I am following ARE modern, but I think I have slacked on defense. Fortify cannot be your only layer.

Also, as a side note, I am infinitely annoyed that the Cluster Jewels are essentially meta in all builds now. It's like the tree is meh to your build but race to a Jewel slot and stack in a large, two mediums, and two small clusters, all of which have your perfect nodes. I think it was a terrible addition, but that's just coming from a casual so what do I know.
 

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Yeah I feel this one.

I am no PoE Savant like a couple of people here, I don't tinker in PoB as a hobby (no hate, guys), I just follow builds.

So the builds I am following ARE modern, but I think I have slacked on defense. Fortify cannot be your only layer.

Also, as a side note, I am infinitely annoyed that the Cluster Jewels are essentially meta in all builds now. It's like the tree is meh to your build but race to a Jewel slot and stack in a large, two mediums, and two small clusters, all of which have your perfect nodes. I think it was a terrible addition, but that's just coming from a casual so what do I know.
Most of the time that's the end state of a build, and there's often-times a middle state that doesn't use clusters. There's also a lot of 'not quite meta' builds that use cheaper clusters.
Another large difference is chaos res. Chaos res used to be pretty much optional, but now it typically isn't for a lot of builds. Ultimatum has also put a large emphasis on having a hefty defensive layer of either:
  • evasion + dodge + wind dancer
  • high armor + ailment avoidance + high res
  • MoM + agnostic shenanigans
  • some of the various defensive Timeless jewel keystones
  • high/max Attack and Spell block
  • Endurance charge stacking
  • damage taken as X element
  • Some combination of the above

That's on top of having fortify and some guard skill on a CWDT or left click to move setup. If you don't have that kind of thing, you better have the awareness of a pro or you're going to be dying a LOT.
 
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Caeden

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So I didn’t enjoy the molten burst CoC. I think a bottled faith would have made it but then I was getting into the pricey herald rings and it had shit for defense outside blind and lgoh. I felt relatively weak. Gonna try a champion I guess. Thought about one of the mana CoCs but god I do CoC every fucking league.

I think I’ve reached the point where none of the skill designs interest me.
 

Deathwing

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Definitely a "throw exalts at it" build. That guy's channel is full of that shit. Which, by itself, isn't a reason to disqualify. But the guy presents it as "look at this cool shit, you should play it too!". On the other hand, Mathil makes frostblink totems and says stay the fuck away.




Also, he looks like a fag. Mathil? Jungroan? Who knows which one I'm referring to.
 
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Caeden

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Definitely a "throw exalts at it" build. That guy's channel is full of that shit. Which, by itself, isn't a reason to disqualify. But the guy presents it as "look at this cool shit, you should play it too!". On the other hand, Mathil makes frostblink totems and says stay the fuck away.




Also, he looks like a fag. Mathil? Jungroan? Who knows which one I'm referring to.
Yep. I knew better. 30s looking at his pob told me this was a dead end with my 25ex or so budget. His budget was closer to the 100ex range.

luckily I was only our 50c on the axe. I’m more concerned I won’t be able to flip my 5ex blinded body armor.
 

Xevy

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I'm currently running a Shroud of Eternity version of the Ngahamu's CoC blaster. Just got into maps and I don't have all my gear. About 500 chances into my Shaper Abyssal Axe with no luck yet. I think his use of double herald rings is like ++++glass cannon. He's losing so fucking much potential defense (life gain on spell hit from shaper rings comes to mind) to run that shit.

We'll see how it goes, going to be pricey to get the rights hit, but the nice thing about stacking Shaper items is I can also stack CDR and get some more CoC procs if I can get my APS higher than 7, which I probably can with some hijinks.
 

Caeden

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I'm currently running a Shroud of Eternity version of the Ngahamu's CoC blaster. Just got into maps and I don't have all my gear. About 500 chances into my Shaper Abyssal Axe with no luck yet. I think his use of double herald rings is like ++++glass cannon. He's losing so fucking much potential defense (life gain on spell hit from shaper rings comes to mind) to run that shit.

We'll see how it goes, going to be pricey to get the rights hit, but the nice thing about stacking Shaper items is I can also stack CDR and get some more CoC procs if I can get my APS higher than 7, which I probably can with some hijinks.
I ran a level 1 vitality with a lgoh eye. It was fine. Biggest problem was the EHP hit using a single herald ring and I hadn’t gotten a crit chest nor bottled faith which is how he finished off crit capping burst. I only got to 96% I think which is low enough with the proc style to make it feel bad. Defensively I think if I could have hit about 6-8M dps it’s fine. I was at 3-5 when I decided I didn’t enjoy it.

I had started messing with attack speed and hunting out some CDR but I realized I just didn’t like the build as well as an ice nova or BL CoC.

Ive been tempted to build a low life BL CoC. May have to see how much ES on hit eyes are now.
 

Il_Duce Lightning Lord Rule

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My hipster build impulse side was looking at that Ngamahu build and thinking about plugging in molten strike for cyclone and rolling magma as the CoC spell for a "Balls to the Walls" setup. Mostly because cyclone is boring and I'm a bit masochistic. It looks like it's become meta enough to have expensive gear though so, meh.
 

Caeden

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My hipster build impulse side was looking at that Ngamahu build and thinking about plugging in molten strike for cyclone and rolling magma as the CoC spell for a "Balls to the Walls" setup. Mostly because cyclone is boring and I'm a bit masochistic. It looks like it's become meta enough to have expensive gear though so, meh.
Naw...it just needed expensive gear to get around the paper thin defenses he built.
 
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Xevy

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If he could've gotten phase acro it would've been pretty decent, maybe. I may use a medium cluster with endurance charges on channeling and use just steelskin in a CWDT setup to give me some more mitigation. Elusive is pretty nice, but best synergizes with full acrobatics lineup and he just went the wrong way in the tree.
 

Caeden

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If he could've gotten phase acro it would've been pretty decent, maybe. I may use a medium cluster with endurance charges on channeling and use just steelskin in a CWDT setup to give me some more mitigation. Elusive is pretty nice, but best synergizes with full acrobatics lineup and he just went the wrong way in the tree.
Yep. I have a VD COC in standard i dick with from tiem to time and i went that direction....I'd have honestly solved accuracy the hard way and gone with a xoph's and built around that direction if I wasn't doing anything like what you're doing with ES. I had fortify in my BF CoC like he did, but for damage I felt Conc effect became mandatory.
 

Penance

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Anyone look at that self chill zerker build? Have all the core components plus 10 ex was wondering if anyone had experience. The build I saw uses LS but I think I'd try to do frost blades.
 

Deathwing

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Lightning Strike is gay. Exhibit 1: ronne ronne played it to 97.

I haven't played self-chill zerker, the defenses look quite weak. I would still recommend Frost Blades.
 
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ronne

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Lightning strike is indeed super homosexual. The projectile ground crawl terrain blocking shit is just the worst.

It super fucks in terms of damage though. Imagine if frost blades could just have 3x the boss DPS.
 

Kythik

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Why can't they give spectral throw some attention? I want to do a cold spectral throw berserker but the dps just isn't there.
 
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Xevy

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Mostly because spectral throw was OP as fuck when it came out and then they added abyssal jewels with flat damage that made it even more ridiculous. It can definitely be done, but you have to have the enchant on helm and it has some serious mana issues.