Caeden
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Anyone that can do math should know this frankly. I’m annoyed I agree with you again. I rarely ran with 21/23 unless it was end of a build and I got to tossing currency for no fucking reason at it.
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Byr
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Byr please show me where Neversink reminds everyone he is a GGG employee (he isn't) or the part where he builds the loot filter inside PoE the game (he doesn't).
So you think loot filters are limited to what Neversink makes? You said a 3rd party tool is required but most people don't use Neversink's. On consoles like that other retard mentioned its provided directly by GGG, not Neversink. You are still very much acquiring your loot filter directly from them. You keep getting dumber and dumber.
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Penance
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C'mon anybody who doesn't see the games reliance on 3rd party tools and website is being woefully obtuse.
Blizzard doesn't provide a DPS meter in WOW and you'd be dense to say that Detail's is a first party because it plugs into LUA.
As far as the recap goes, the reddit post made it seem fine. But the thing about the chase items is just such a weird statement to make. It's been proven time and time again that letting players target their progression makes the game feel immensely better. It's never been about the speed of zoomies more so then the speed of progression.
Just a reminder that China has an AH, in game POB-lite, auto loot pickup for certain currency's and all the other nice QoL for years now while we have Chris Wilson.
Blizzard doesn't provide a DPS meter in WOW and you'd be dense to say that Detail's is a first party because it plugs into LUA.
As far as the recap goes, the reddit post made it seem fine. But the thing about the chase items is just such a weird statement to make. It's been proven time and time again that letting players target their progression makes the game feel immensely better. It's never been about the speed of zoomies more so then the speed of progression.
Just a reminder that China has an AH, in game POB-lite, auto loot pickup for certain currency's and all the other nice QoL for years now while we have Chris Wilson.
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Byr
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Details wouldnt be a first party because you go to an outside source to get it, its not provided by Blizzard. That isn't true of loot filters. Some people do, sure, but it is far from required. This isn't really up for debate, its literally the english language and how it works ... if you arn't retarded.
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OU Ariakas
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GGG provides them Neversinks loot filter you idiot; that is still not them creating it or allowing console players to create it.
Poe.trade is still in existence and the only reason GGG has their own is they copied poe.trade directly less than 2 years ago. It is still shitty since it doesnt do bulk items well so people use other 3rd party options for things like prophecies, div cards, and maps.
GGG relies on 3rd parties to make their game work; it is an undeniable fact and trying to skate by on technicalities makes you sound petty. It's ok to love the game and admit it has major unaddressed problems.
Byr
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The Neversink loot filter is available from the game itself, GGG, without requiring you to visit an outside source. It is provided as a first person service. This isn't hard to understand. Its not a technicality or whatever else you want to try and weasel your way out of this with. Its the very definition of first party.
PoE.Trade is still in existance ... but then you go on to say that GGG did the work to provide it themselves as a first party. You basically proved my point for me. You fucking retard.
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Xevy
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Neversink was actually offered the job to work for GGG and turned it down because he lives in Germany with his family and didn't want to move to NZ. Also said that if he made it his full time job he'd probably hate doing it. So he is more or less partnered with GGG much like OpenARL became.
If you've ever played an MMO that allowed mods or addons or programs like GINA you're actually more reliant on third parties than PoE is. They said they could add in an in-game browser for the Trade Site, but it wasn't something they thought the teams time was worth wasting on currently. Path of Building is the only truly third party program that makes the game much, much more playable. You could add sites like Craft of Exile or POE.DB, but I'm not sure how they'd have all that data in-game for you without it being spoonfeeding.
If you've ever played an MMO that allowed mods or addons or programs like GINA you're actually more reliant on third parties than PoE is. They said they could add in an in-game browser for the Trade Site, but it wasn't something they thought the teams time was worth wasting on currently. Path of Building is the only truly third party program that makes the game much, much more playable. You could add sites like Craft of Exile or POE.DB, but I'm not sure how they'd have all that data in-game for you without it being spoonfeeding.
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Anyway, like I suspected, no major walkbacks of anything. This is Cris game and it will play like Chris wants it to play. This was not even dmg control since no one even asked the hard hitting questions. They skirted around the elephants as much as possible with royalty in the room.
Also he sure loves his hard mode that does not drop loot. He kept on refering to this as some savior or some shit? Who wants to play that masochistic shit?
Also he sure loves his hard mode that does not drop loot. He kept on refering to this as some savior or some shit? Who wants to play that masochistic shit?
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Byr
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Its basically the future of hardcore at this point. The streamers will play it, the lemmings will follow and there won't be a population left in the normal hardcore leagues to play with.
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AladainAF
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This is what people really dislike about your posts.
You just posted:
1. 21/20s still drop!
2. For most, 3% isnt anything tangible.
3. It's a feels thing.
4. The difference betwene 21/23 is a waste of currency for the rich guys.
5. If you want it, you have to make it yourself from alva.
Yet, what you didn't address is -- if these are all true, then why would GGG prevent them from dropping? #5 on your list is the only one that could give any explanation, but alva temple ALREADY gives you an advantage -- it let's you target the gem you want to attempt to 21/23, rather than leaving it up to RNG to get a 21/23.
So what you posted, if it was true, just proves that GGG didn't need to prevent them from dropping.
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AladainAF
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Not to mention after all these years, GGG still cannot tell the difference between a map, and a blighted version of that map.
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OU Ariakas
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Jesus Christ you are such a faggot.
Here is your official PoE loot filter page.....point out the one curated and updated by a GGG employee or someone compensated by them for keeping it working through each patch. It is integral enough to be a game play page on their website but in no way provided by GGG. Being 'available' from GGG doesn't make it first party you idiot; and the whole point is that GGG's brilliant team has leaned on a suite of 3rd party add-ons to make their game accessible to enough people to keep the lights on. GGG rolling copies of 3rd party programs onto their website should terrify you since they were originally made as band-aids to unfuck GGGs lackluster in game systems. It is essentially admitting that GGG has no better ideas on how to manage the underlying mechanics of their own fucking game. But hey, I'm sure the community will keep bailing them out pro bono until GGG copies their next great idea.
Xevy
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#5. #5 was the only way to get 21/23s until Legion started shitting them out. They want to tie that specific mechanic back to its roots. No build is broken by this and now if people wanted to make money they could target farm Alva Doryani's and blast gems for potentially huge profit due those being the sole source of the gems.
Byr
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The point is that GGG make it available for you to do, or in the NeverSink example you keep trying to use for whatever reason they literally provide the filter. That would either be a first or second person solution but isnt required to be a third. Basic english here dumbass. Trying to argue these are 3rd party add-ons, or even dumber 3rd party programs, is completely retarded which you have now continuously shown yourself to be.
You access and apply the filter without ever having to interact with or compensate anyone other than GGG. This is the literal definition of a first party solution. No matter how much you bitch and whine, there isnt a debate to be had about it.
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Arbitrary
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I liked them because they were these valuable little things that might show up through just regular play. They were exciting.
AladainAF
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#5 always has been the only way to get a 21/23 of a specific gem. Legion simply added the ability to get a random 21/23. So now there's two ways to get a 21/23, one way that's targeted and one way that isn't. Well, they removed the random one, and left behind the non-random one.
No one said anything about breaking builds because of it. It's just stupid to remove it because it had almost no impact whatsoever on gameplay, yet it was a fun mechanic. And yet, they removed it.
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Well if you were trying to polish my apple in the same manner that you've been shining Chris Wilson's.... reputation... I'd definitely be rethinking all of my actions.
Xevy
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It was a light-hearted joke I thought you might enjoy as some one under constant criticism from shitlords who have no idea what it's like to be in a position of power pulled in 10 directions at once.
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AladainAF
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I'd actually like to ask
Cad
on this one, but I'm like 99% sure you're wrong. But it will probably come down to whether or not GGG can claim ownership of neversinks loot filter. I would think they can't but maybe they can? If they can, then it very well could be second party though that's rare in software in general. It's certainly not first-party, I'd be almost positive of that.If GGG can claim partial ownership of the loot filter from Neversink, then its a second party addon, otherwise its third party. Neversink, not GGG, updates it. Neversink, not GGG, provides it. I would guess that Neversink gave permission to GGG to distribute his filter. As such, GGG merely distributes it. They don't provide it.
Not a lawyer though, but I think that I'm correct here.
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