Path of Exile

Korrupt said:

There really isn't a lot of experienced PoE players here you can tell by the complaints. Its just people who are D3 players thinking this should be like D3.

I would wager 99% of the people complaining about end game here have never done the Shaper / Uber events or even Guardians.

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a poor assessment honestly. the gap between t1 mapping and shaper/uber is huge. And not just huge. its boring as shit.
The bosses are nice. but a bit too infrequent in that 80-95 area. Maps turn into this speed run, line or box clear gameplay. progression grinds to a halt.
Theres a gap in goals.

I had high hopes for labyrinth, but that failed imho. I want more roguelike back in the game. early leveling does it well. Descent is a roguelike. I love it. mapping however is the antithesis of that though.
I would like to see maps, that act more like regular zones, or something. I've wondered if maps should be actually 2-3 areas linked together. Almost like an atziri. Progressing through a map is more important then full clears.
More mini bosses in mapping. Uber lab and atziri are the minibosses atm. and arguably other unique map bosses. all are very rng tied though. I have 3 midnight this league, and never unlocked uber lab. shit is fucking annoying. (ssf) Soft caps are great, but some of this stuff is annoyingly random.
every 5 tiers should have some boss bosses, akin to guardians, that you need to kill, to move on to the next tier.

Imagine labyrinth was not your character. But instead always a fresh level 1.(or maybe level 30 preset archetypes) like descent. and then, at the end, you got your enchant as a currency item. which could be then traded to your main char. I feel like that would be more fun. Play as an alt, progress your main character.

Bonuses for playing different maps? the 2-3 area idea. imagine you could put 1-4 maps into the map device, and that chained them together. +1 level to the maps as you go and +quantity if they are not duplicates.


I want more alt encouragement. especially in regards to league challenges. end game grinds, level 20 skill gem, level 90 char, uber lab etc. all greatly penalize playing alts. even masters. That is stupid and directly contrary to the games core design.
I don't think I would burn out nearly as much, if I didnt feel like playing alts, was a mistake, and waste of time, needed to reach challenges.

I'm not trying to write off criticism, all opinions are valid from all aspects. I'm simply making an observation that people here complaining about repetition haven't done the majority of what the game offers. If you choose to only do white maps 4 hours a night, 3 hours of which your looking at your stash and vendoring and then say "GG this game is boring and repetitive" but its the games fault? not the player right. There was so much to do this league - shaper, guardians, uber atziri, the pale council, 5x breachlords, or rigwald raid events this league? That's 13 different raid type of events available that 98% of you didn't do.

I can understand Caliane wanting this to be a game of alts but that's not their design. The level cap is 100 and its hard AND expensive to respect for a reason and it always will be.

Korrupt said:

I'm not trying to write off criticism, all opinions are valid from all aspects. I'm simply making an observation that people here complaining about repetition haven't done the majority of what the game offers. If you choose to only do white maps 4 hours a night, 3 hours of which your looking at your stash and vendoring and then say "GG this game is boring and repetitive" but its the games fault? not the player right. There was so much to do this league - shaper, guardians, uber atziri, the pale council, 5x breachlords, or rigwald raid events this league? That's 13 different raid type of events available that 98% of you didn't do.

I can understand Caliane wanting this to be a game of alts but that's not their design. The level cap is 100 and its hard AND expensive to respect for a reason and it always will be.

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How many hours do you have to spend to even afford an attempt ? Much less SSF. Now there's a decent chance that you will brick a set or two for the harder ones and it's easy to understand why some people would rather invest in gear than unique raid encounters.

I find the scenarios that pop up while mapping with masters/prophecies/leaguestones/trials much more meaningful for casual players which is why I think breaches were the best thing since sliced bread.

Breach was amazing for sure, probably one of my favorite leagues. For sure some of the keys are semi tough and take hours of grinding for an attempt. There's no shame in bricking sets to learn either. I think I bricked 2 shaper sets learning him and at least 1 on Uber Atziri.

Things like Uber lab though are 3-6m or lets say 10 minutes to a normal player. Doing just 3 easy keys in those 10 minutes is going to net you your currency back 90% of the time at least with more than likely you making money from the boxes. Its easy to do, accessible, profitable, and once you get enough currency in a handful of runs you can farm something else.

Korrupt said:

I'm not trying to write off criticism, all opinions are valid from all aspects. I'm simply making an observation that people here complaining about repetition haven't done the majority of what the game offers. If you choose to only do white maps 4 hours a night, 3 hours of which your looking at your stash and vendoring and then say "GG this game is boring and repetitive" but its the games fault? not the player right. There was so much to do this league - shaper, guardians, uber atziri, the pale council, 5x breachlords, or rigwald raid events this league? That's 13 different raid type of events available that 98% of you didn't do.

I can understand Caliane wanting this to be a game of alts but that's not their design. The level cap is 100 and its hard AND expensive to respect for a reason and it always will be.

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Even streamers who play the game for 12 hours a day are mostly just chain running maps. Doing events like uber, rigwald, breachlords, shaper can happen but the majority of the time you're spamming maps.

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I made a mistake and said maps implying serious farmers run a variety of maps. I meant shaped strand.

I don't think the endgame will change much beyond adding a few maps and possibly how shaping works, however the demigod system might alter what you run and kill.

The game is mostly piss easy with occasional spikes that will murder you with glee in a single second, but not even D2 was much different once you knew it inside out. It was mostly dying to fire enchanted mobs with melee chars ...

Tenks said:

Even streamers who play the game for 12 hours a day are mostly just chain running maps. Doing events like uber, rigwald, breachlords, shaper can happen but the majority of the time you're spamming maps.

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I made a mistake and said maps implying serious farmers run a variety of maps. I meant shaped strand.

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I would maybe watch Mathil who is one of the top numbers wise and streams everyday does Shaper, Guardians, and Uber Atziri on every single build he plays and he swaps builds every 3 days. He does build guides as well and does no shaped strands on purpose. Zizarian just farmed 5 mirrors on LHC doing Uber / Shaper and hes pretty good about making guides or explaining what he does.

Shaped Strands aren't even that good compared to Shaped Shores which aren't even good compared to Poorjoy's. It's really confusing people want to spend so much time leveling to 100 in Strands when Poorjoy's exists. You ALWAYS make your money back on Poorjoy's from the chaotic dispos as well which makes them free.

Beta date dropped June 7th, going to run for 5ish weeks.

Forum - Announcements - The Fall of Oriath: Beta FAQ - Path of Exile

TLDR new microtransaction system will be in, acts 1-8, pantheon system

so when are people going to talk about PoE hud like they talked about turbohud?

Mist said:

Whirling Blades is fine, you just need like +400% attack speed.

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I keep randomly whirling back and forth, maybe I spam it too much, but it's not exactly reliable movement skill for me

I honestly don't know how anything will ever kill Shaper with double dipping removed and they've already said they're not nerfing the HP of Shaper/Guardians. We'll be going from builds that do 10 million DPS to builds that do 250k DPS.

mkopec said:

The game tells you shit all about any of that.

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The game definitely has a learning curve when it comes to knowledge about the game mechanics and your options and choices. It's actually one of the things I like about it. Not to wake that old ghost but it's more like classic EQ in that regard, while D3 is like SWTOR, entirely on rails. I assume most players coming from other games just don't expect having to figure shit out, they expect being told what to do by the game.

And I'm by no means a regular PoE player, and like someone said earlier, I haven't done shit for actual endgame. Mostly because the league length doesn't cater to my play time. I'm currently lvl89, doing some t9-t11 maps on the odd day and wrapping up some achievements for the 24 I'll end up with. That's a point most serious players reach within days. Maybe one day I'll actually play one of those characters in standard for a bit to do endgame stuff, but the leagues usually end before I'd have the resources to seriously approach any of the endgame activities.

Xequecal said:

I honestly don't know how anything will ever kill Shaper with double dipping removed and they've already said they're not nerfing the HP of Shaper/Guardians. We'll be going from builds that do 10 million DPS to builds that do 250k DPS.

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HOWA / BLS don't need any double dipping shennanigans to kill shaper in seconds and anyway, I'm pretty sure GGG never intended these fights to be over in under 10-20 seconds.