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I'm just taking that and replacing the ascendancy with deadeye. Tree should be exactly the same.
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I think you are considering the wording TOO much, when there is a known bug involved. NONE of it is SUPPOSED to double dip. but it is.Well, if I'm wrong, I'll just play a trickster and abuse the fuck out of that
I don't think people are considering the wording very much. I know the mechanics of PoE can be intricate and murky sometimes, but honest question: are there precedents for 1 item/node saying X, another item/node saying X, but acting in different ways? I gotta imagine this stuff is procedural at this point, the game engine is likely interpreting those strings to determine how they act, just like PoB.
Korrupt
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The "hits" isnt what I mean, its the added which works between every conversion step - Physical → Lightning → Cold → Fire → Chaos. The wiki explains the conversion really easily - Damage conversion
The video Kiroy or someone linked did a really good job as well -
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Well, we don't have a precedent for "Your hits" and "gained". "Your hits" is target side, every other "gained" is character side. I'm betting "Your hits" overrules. But I'd be astounded if it actually went live in the way everyone is fearing. It would be beyond negligent.
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"Gain Elemental damage as added Chaos damage" absolutely works the way these vids describe, on live, right now. You can do a fairly ridiculous CI Guardian build already that abuses this with Shade of Solaris and Incandescent Heart also making you take 25% less elemental damage.
We just don't really know if "Gain non-chaos damage as added chaos" works similarly because there's only one thing in the whole game that grants it (Malediction) so it's pretty hard to test.
Kiroy
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ya and once the chance to proc is figured in it adds up to 45% more damage. People did the math this way to compare it to zerker (more damage zero downside, which is completely broken).
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Where did I say that there wasn't a live example of "gained"? There is no precedent for "Your hits" and "gained", together, in one string. I'm pretty sure "gained" still works as everyone thinks it does, "Your hits" just moves where it is applied in the overall damage equation so that it misses all the conversion stages.
Caliane
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path of building pulls from game files. if it says malediction double dips(and it does) then it does. it doesnt need to be tested. its not implemented from guesswork.
deathwing is talking about the difference between buffs and debuffs. and he might be right. or they might have fixed the bug.
like, conversion counts as phys and cold for purposes of increased damage. But, vulnerability for example, if you convert to cold, you no longer deal physical damage vs that debuff.
if its a DEBUFF like taunt, maim, vulnerability, then it might not matter if the buff "gained" is bugged.
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Borzak
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I'll look at it. Found another deadeye build from last season (well before abyss) but they said the build would top out tankiness at tier 11 maps. That didn't sound great at all, eve if mapping speed was fast.
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Minor correction: you wouldn't take the flask nodes in the INT part of tree. Deadeye is definitely not a tanky ascendancy, it's great for mapping, especially with QoTF. I'm not planning on doing any tough content with this build.
Borzak
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From too little to too many options lol. I want to play a reasonably fast mapper. No need to be able to kill shaper. But I'd like to do a projectile/bow build. Gonna research it tonight. I thought the deadeye with increased chaining might work but an area I have no experience with at all. So far I've only done beserker/VP before the change, trickster MoM/ED which was great clearning, not so great on bosses. Scorching ray necro. Blade Flurry gladiater.
Kiroy
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bow is hard for people who don't have a firm grasp on what they're doing and how they want to push. that said, deadeye lightning arrow should be just fine up to t8. Maybe swap something for bosses. I'm sure there's builds on the forums, all 3.1 builds will just be flat out better than before.
Caliane
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I find bow builds super easy. I wouldnt say they run out of steam at t8 at all.
Deadeye has always been solid damage, but soft. And, it got more damage, but not alot of defense added. I would still recommend pathfinder over deadeye for most bow builds.
Even even basic stibnite, sulfer, and silver flasks, pathfinder outshines with its elem dr, ele status immunity, flask effect, and flask duration. (+ele pen)
Alternatively, that accuracy jugg looks super solid, and easy for spectral throw, or shield throw.
Deadeye has always been solid damage, but soft. And, it got more damage, but not alot of defense added. I would still recommend pathfinder over deadeye for most bow builds.
Even even basic stibnite, sulfer, and silver flasks, pathfinder outshines with its elem dr, ele status immunity, flask effect, and flask duration. (+ele pen)
Alternatively, that accuracy jugg looks super solid, and easy for spectral throw, or shield throw.
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If anyone needs help with builds or has questions don't hesitate to PM me, going to spend all Thursday night in Discord with my guild going over builds after the patch notes. If you just have a skill you like I can recommend a build or make one really quick for you also.
@Pasteton This guy is semi brain damaged but his builds are good and align to what you kind of posted. You can swap to reave for mapping and use BF to clear every boss in the game np - Forum - Scion - [3.1] BloodMoonFlurry High-DPS,Freeze/Stun Immune,Inc. Hardcore Version(Elder/Shaper/Guardians/Uber) - Path of Exile
@Pasteton This guy is semi brain damaged but his builds are good and align to what you kind of posted. You can swap to reave for mapping and use BF to clear every boss in the game np - Forum - Scion - [3.1] BloodMoonFlurry High-DPS,Freeze/Stun Immune,Inc. Hardcore Version(Elder/Shaper/Guardians/Uber) - Path of Exile
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Kiroy
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Post the tldr form ya'lls going over the builds after you done. I'd be curious to see what non-streamer poopsockers have to say about starting builds ect.
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