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No disagreement with anything said here. Texas Law would allow a homeowner to shoot the shit out of a fence-jumper in any case so the dog mauling would probably get a pat on the head and a doggy treat.
Pit bulls - The Breed of Peace
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Letting your dog loose its not the same as your dog escaping. There is no negligence if the dog digs a whole and escapes your yard, and bites someone.
They are already liable for damages done by the dog, what more do you want, jail time?
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If the dog escapes you negligently enclosed him, res ipsa loquitur. Should be criminally negligent homicide or assault if the dog escapes and kills/bites someone.
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Under most states law you're only responsible if that happens if you negligently entrusted them with the vehicle; i.e. you knew they were drunk/incompetent/incapable and you loaned them the car anyway resulting in damages.
Even then though I don't think there's any vicarious criminal liability, the actions of the intervening criminal (the person you loaned the car to) would break the chain. However, the dog isn't a person and even though it can take independent action, IMO it shouldn't be treated as an independent actor. It should be treated as an extension of you, if you let it loose or it gets loose because of your negligence.
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Liability for dogs on premises should be similar to swimming pool accidents. Leaving the gate open so a child wanders in and drowns is a bit different than teenagers hopping the fence to go skinny dipping only to slip and bust their head open on the brick edge.
Of course, we could do some insane theorycrafting like purposefully feeding a dog peanut butter then letting it lick everyone's face along the way to see who is allergic.
Of course, we could do some insane theorycrafting like purposefully feeding a dog peanut butter then letting it lick everyone's face along the way to see who is allergic.
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I've gone into what I believe on this subject before, and it is pretty much exactly in line with what you say. Our justice system is way too lenient on idiots with their idiot dogs. It's the main reason I'm perfectly fine with cops gunning down loose dogs in a city. They are a hazard and it shouldn't be allowed.
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I don't believe in gunning down innocent dogs in the street because of idiot owners-- we aren't some 3rd world country whose streets are filled with packs of wild dogs. There should be stricter laws regarding dog registration, and stiffer penalties/fines for irresponsible owners.
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Obviously its preferable to capture/euthanize them humanely. But when they are loose and acting aggressive, the dog's life should be forfeit.
Frenzied Wombat
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Yes, if aggressive the I don't have a problem with it. The way you wrote it I envisioned cops performing drive-by shootings on Pomeranians.
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Well, you know, except for the woman killed by a pack of loose dogs in Fair Park 7 days ago...
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obviously you should just use a boot when that would be sufficient force to eliminate the threat.
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The problem isn't 'how you raise them', though. The problem is that even with the best rearing disease happens, mistakes happen, trauma happens - life just happens based on circumstances. Any dog has the potential to attack you at some point. The question is if/when this happens, will the dog kill you or someone else. For many dogs this is less likely, for pit bulls it is not.
It's like running a 1% chance you will be shot, do you want to be facing a paintball gun or a Browning M2 when your luck runs out?
I mean, it worked out for Siegfried I guess, maybe not so much for Roy.
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Yes, actually, pet wolves if raised by humans are quite friendly. They're a lot more mentally resilient to training and need to be isolated from other wolves much earlier than dogs, but you can attain a very dog-like behavior in wolves if you take those extra steps to get there. They'll never be anywhere near as accepting of outsiders as dogs can be. They'll basically treat you and your family as pack, and that's where the line is drawn. That's part of the mental resilience thing. Their instincts haven't been worn down from thousands of years of breeding the tamest descendants. Likewise, they'll probably munch animals they consider prey if they're not members of the pack - such as your chickens. They might consider your cat/dog pack if they receive a lot of human attention and the wolf is brought up in proximity to the cat/dog.
Pitbulls, like most terriers, are actually among the most acclimated to humans. They respond very keenly to what their humans want. Which makes them great for training to be aggressive if you are so inclined. Collies, dobermans, and akitas are much more prone to being irritable than any terrier. Laws against pitbulls are essentially equal to laws against "assault weapons". They're fueled by ignorance and based on appearances.
Pitbulls, like most terriers, are actually among the most acclimated to humans. They respond very keenly to what their humans want. Which makes them great for training to be aggressive if you are so inclined. Collies, dobermans, and akitas are much more prone to being irritable than any terrier. Laws against pitbulls are essentially equal to laws against "assault weapons". They're fueled by ignorance and based on appearances.
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